Did some searching, but failed to find the answer to the following question.
In VM1, I can have a shopper group called "Wholesale" then I can go into products, checkmark a product, click on the "List Prices" button on top, and add the "wholesale" price for that particular product.
How do I set a price for a product that is specific to a shopper group in VM2?
Thanks!
A lot easier.
You set price rules, which can depend to a shoppergroup or category, or time and more. You can use unpublished categories to have different price structure then the shopper see. You have endless combinations.
Thanks. But can you be more specific?
I have 2 separate set of prices... retail and wholesale. There is no relationship between the prices. The difference on one product might be $10... on another $15.
I am sorry this is not possible anylonger. Our expectation is that 90% of the users (or even more) need a system which works in categories. Consider that you can create unpublished categories like plus-10,plus-15,plus-20 and then you can achieve that a lot easier with categorising your pricing system.
We could also later write a customplugin for that, so that you can enter it as a variant, which is automatically shown to the right shoppergroups.
Hmm..
So a pretty powerful functionality which was in VM1 was taken out in VM2?? I would think setting multiple prices for a product (based on Shopper Group) would be something an extremely flexible piece of functionality to have. I find it hard to believe that all pricing for a product is directly related to another price... that is... that wholesale price is always (let's say) 10% lower than retail.
The release notes for VM2 states:
shoppergroups: pricing depending by shoppergroups
So I figured the functionality was there.
I guess there is no way for me to upgrade my site until some sort of plugin is written then??
Are you really sure that you have always different settings? you do not have any system in it? not sorted by category? I just noticed, that we could add also manufacturers.
For example.... Let's say I have 3 products
Product 1
Retail $10
wholesale $7
Product 2
Retail $10
wholesale $7.75
Product 3
Retail $20
Wholesale $10
You see... there is no correlation between the retail price and the wholesale price between products (other than the obvious fact that wholesale price is lower than retail price).
I can set that up on VM1 using the "LIST PRICE" feature... but can't seem to find a way to do that in VM2.
Then I am sorry, you have to wait for a plugin. I already created it in my head, just need time to write it. Maybe some other 3rd party do, I have already some in mind.
Thanks for highlighting this!
I also put my trust into the "shoppergroups: pricing depending by shoppergroups" and assumed that the same useful feature was possible on the new version.
Waiting for that plugin since I already upgraded.
Thanks
Milbo,
How do I get someone to add this functionality? What would it cost for a pluging?
I'm also need such plugin.
Can somebody develop it?
Lets pay for it .
Extremely needed.
I do this: http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=94895.msg321741#msg321741
Hello,
Thx for replay
But we'r talking about version 2+.
There is no such feature in 2
I think his solution is to do product cloning (ie... duplicating products with different prices). Unfortunately, this is very very messy for customers that has lots of products.
Is anyone for hire to write a plugin?
It's not a good solution.
Let me know if You find developer for that plugin.
I will take part in costs.
I know some developer but he said there is no good docs for developer.
He can try if developers of virtuemat will give a direction.
+1 on that.
Cloning, etc is cumbersome and not very productive.
Quote from: Milbo on February 02, 2012, 23:10:02 PM
I am sorry this is not possible anylonger. Our expectation is that 90% of the users (or even more) need a system which works in categories. Consider that you can create unpublished categories like plus-10,plus-15,plus-20 and then you can achieve that a lot easier with categorising your pricing system.
We could also later write a customplugin for that, so that you can enter it as a variant, which is automatically shown to the right shoppergroups.
pfffffff, real smart move removing features. You assume 90%, but what about the other 10%? This nonsense never ends.
"Use a third party plugin", you got to be kidding me!
Hi Milbo and other Virtuemart developers.
I can't agree too with argument that this future is useful only for 10% users. I think one of important benefits Virtuemart 1.1 was customization. For example we have 500 clients with Virtuemart stores and more 80% uses more prices for shoppers groups.
Adding prices for shoppers groups is Virtuemart is about 5 lines in VirtueMartModelProduct and calculationHelper (without administration this prices, managment of this prices can solve 3rd extentensions).
But my question and proposal is:
Is possible move price calculation from model and helper to new Virtumeart plugin in any next versions?.
This would allow easy:
- Simply and fast calculation with minimum database queries for simply stores.
Default calculation "by rules" as is in current Virtuemart version.
But as well prices by shopper groups ids with custom plugin.
Custom coupon calculation with custom plugin.
Discounts by refering websites (like from from facebook, "discounts aggregators") with custom plugin.
And many "unlimited" prices futures.
If you agree with this proposal We would collaborate on this.
I don't doubt that custom plugins in better solution than modification core VM models and plugins. But it will be uncomplicated and most powerful "switch" default "plugin price calculator", than using price methods and VirtueMartModelProduct and calculationHelper and rewritte prices with custom plugin (Because now, "base" prices of simply product are loaded in products model too).
Thank you for consideration of this proposal.
Any solution for this?
This is absolutely essential for my client's 2 stores.
There is a need for two sets of prices - one for the shopper and one for the wholesaler, in this situation.
I'm a little bewildered that this isn't available in VM2.
Seriously, is there any help on the horizon, or are we simply heading into messy town?
Regards.
edit-- Can you please explain why there is the ability to setup shopper groups & calculations and add the newly created discount to the products in VM2, yet the calculations not appear in the cart for the consumer/shopper group? Am I missing something?
DG,
Hi just wondering if you have tried the new 2.0.7 updates as your request I think is in there for testing.
In shopper groups you will find a new configuration.
the idea is that a product is added to the public and to the wholesaler- you have a tax or an amount set for the wholesaler and when they log in they only can see that price.
* I presume this is done through taxes and not an individual set price - just have a look.
Hi John,
Yes, that's exactly the idea. Thanks for the headsup on 2.0.7 - I was waiting for it to get out of Beta, but at this stage, it could be the answer.
Much appreciation for the reply. It's worth a look.
:)
I'm facing another problem...
I have 2 type of user, default and retailer..
For my products, I wish to do like
Item A, default: RM4.90, retailer: RM30 per dozen, is it possible to do it and how to do?
anybody can help?
Hi just wondering if you have tried the new 2.0.7 updates as your request I think is in there for testing.
In shopper groups you will find a new configuration.
does this allow for the functionality requested in the original question?
We will have 3 "Shopper Groups" -> Default (Unregistered Users), Retailers, and Distributors.
Each shopper group will see different pricing
Default = No Pricing. (See #1 above under Unregistered Users)
Retailers = its own shopper group pricing
Distributors = its own shopper group pricing.
***We don't want to add the same product three different times for each shopper group. Is there any way to set it up so that we can enter the product "one time" and set the pricing for each shopper group in the product set-up page in the admin?
Hello to everybody.
We need to collect 500 Euro and Virtuemart team will agreed to insert this feature into Virtuemart 2 core.
see
http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=103257.0
http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=103257.0
try http://www.kickstarter.com/ to take donations and set goals
Nice. Thank. I'll try.
Quote from: John2400 on May 21, 2012, 14:23:42 PM
DG,
Hi just wondering if you have tried the new 2.0.7 updates as your request I think is in there for testing.
In shopper groups you will find a new configuration.
the idea is that a product is added to the public and to the wholesaler- you have a tax or an amount set for the wholesaler and when they log in they only can see that price.
* I presume this is done through taxes and not an individual set price - just have a look.
Hi John,
Yes, I have tried - up to 2.0.7d. I'm about to go and take a look at 2.0.7e. I'll get back to you.
Cheers.
Quote from: DG on June 12, 2012, 07:19:45 AM
Quote from: John2400 on May 21, 2012, 14:23:42 PM
DG,
Hi just wondering if you have tried the new 2.0.7 updates as your request I think is in there for testing.
In shopper groups you will find a new configuration.
the idea is that a product is added to the public and to the wholesaler- you have a tax or an amount set for the wholesaler and when they log in they only can see that price.
* I presume this is done through taxes and not an individual set price - just have a look.
Hi John,
Yes, I have tried - up to 2.0.7d. I'm about to go and take a look at 2.0.7e. I'll get back to you.
Cheers.
2.0.7e eg:
Tax calculation for a Wholesale shopper of -50% isn't applied to the cart.
1. Shopper is placed in Wholesale group.
2. GST calculation of +10% is set for all shopper groups (visible for shoppers) for all products
3. Additional Tax calculation of -50% (Price modifier before tax) is set for the Wholesale shopper group (visible for shoppers) for all products
4. Product is set for both default and Wholesale shopper groups
5. On check out, prices at the cart still only reflect the default pricing (plus GST calc.) and do not reflect the discount for a wholesale shopper.
Hello to all,
I'll tried to start project on http://www.kickstarter.com But I can't because not US resident.
If You Us resident please create project.QuoteMultiple prices per product per shopper group
In VM1 you could add as many prices as were necessary and assign them to as many shopper groups as were needed. We want it in VM2
In VM1.x you were able to go in a product and add multiple prices which you could then assign to different shopper groups. In VM2 there no such capability.
To be clear, I am not talking about just two different prices. In VM1 you could add as many prices as were necessary and assign them to as many shopper groups as were needed. The same functionality needs to exist in VM2.
The reason for this topic is that I would like a clear answer as to if and when the virtuemart team intends to implement this in VM2. I have read most relevant threads and as it seems there is a real need for this feature to exist.
So we need collect 700$ and it will take 2 weeks to develop.
Feature will be public available in the next release.
Please donate as You can.
Thank you for your time and patience.
http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=103257.15 (http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=103257.15)
http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=97663.msg321853#msg321853 (http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=97663.msg321853#msg321853)
http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=97406.0 (http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=97406.0)
I've just tested 2.0.7f - no change yet.
2.0.7f (a repeat of 2.0.7e) eg:
Tax calculation for a Wholesale shopper of -50% isn't applied to the cart.
1. Shopper is placed in Wholesale group.
2. GST calculation of +10% is set for all shopper groups (visible for shoppers) for all products
3. Additional Tax calculation of -50% (Price modifier before tax) is set for the Wholesale shopper group (visible for shoppers) for all products
4. Product is set for both default and Wholesale shopper groups
5. On check out, prices at the cart still only reflect the default pricing (plus GST calc.) and do not reflect the discount for a wholesale shopper.
This is exactly what I am trying to do and having the same problem :-[
Only, I want the catalog prices, to reflect the wholesale price, before the checkout cart, for the wholesale shopper group only :o
Is this possible ???
I also have different pricing structures for different shoppers on one site which is strictly B2B and deals strictly wholesale.
I set it up so that when a certain group accesses the site they see only the price for that group, registered users/dealers/retailers see their assigned group prices while the general public sees the MSRP 8)
I had trouble getting the all the hooks working and some weirdness with how VM2 handles Joomla users but I finally got it working just peachy 8)
I can access the site as the GP and then login as a discount group user and then watch as the prices suddenly change, freaking cool ya'll, good job :D
@webzight
Can you share exactly how you made it happen with us?
Thanks.
I too am desperate to hear how you pulled this off webzight!
Thanks so much!
I tried this once and everything hung up :-[
Group Pricing or Discounts 101 :o
1) Goto Orders & Shoppers
2) Create "Discount" Shopper Group - I named one of mine Discount40 for 40% off MSRP and labeled same in description.
2a) "Enable shoppergroup specific price display" - Check the box :o
2b) "Show Prices" - Check the box :o
2c) Configure labels and prices for what you want displayed with this group - I checked both boxes for "Final salesprice" only, the others left blank 8)
2d) Save & Close
3) Goto Products - Click on Taxes & Calculation Rules (see where this going yet :o)
3a) Click on NEW (Big Yellow Plus icon, upper right corner of window)
3b) After new blank window opens, name your new "rule" what ever discount you have in mind, I named mine "40% Discount off MSRP"
3c) Description - I filled in "40% off MSRP"
3d) Type of Arithmetic Operation Select - Price modifier for Profit Margin
3e) Math Operation Select -%
3f) Value - Type in the value of the percentage discount you wish assign for this rule - I used 40 :o
3g) Set the Currency
3h) Product Category Here you can assign this rule to specific Product Category(s) :o Leave blank otherwise :o
3i) "Shopper Groups" Now here is the BIGGIE - This is where you assign this rule to the Discount Group(s) you setup previously 8)
3j) Country - Here you can apply a rule by Country(s) Leave blank otherwise :o
3k) State / Province / Region - Here you can apply a rule by State, Province, Region 8) Leave blank otherwise :o
3l) Visible for Shopper - Check the box :o
3m) Visible for vendor - You decide here for yourself 8)
3n) Set Start Date and End Date as you wish ::)
3o) Check over your settings and once satisfied, "Save & Close"
Now you should be able to assign a specific user to a Discount Shopper group and when that "shopper" logs in, the prices in the catalog should automatically change to reflect the discount you set for that group :o
Try it and see for yourself 8)
Once you realize how the groups and rules work together you can readily see how many possible combination's there are for setting pricing and taxing structures :o
I hope this helps 8)
This works only with rules. But we have to set different prices for each shopper group which we import from a CSV-file.
I used to write tech manuals for the US government as part of a huge DOD satellite communications(SATCOM) ground station refurbishment contract, for which, we where required to write said manuals, to a sixth (6th) grade reading comprehension level :o
I should hope I don't have to do that here ::)
You use the GROUPS in conjunction with the RULES :o
Please reread the steps above, it details exactly what to do for multiple pricing structures, MMMKKKAAAAY ???
IF you experiment with the GROUPS and RULES configurations you will see that your scenario is the same as mine, basically :o
I have over 1400 SKU's all with different prices and three different wholesale discounts, the above steps work for me 8)
NOTE TO VM2 MANUAL WRITERS: hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge ;)
Calm down, easy.
I have two shopper groups, with 1000s of products. They don't have a strong relation to each other, only that the products of one group are cheaper than the same products of the other shopper group. With your method a have to make 1000s of rules.
@ genetica_multimedia
QuoteWith your method a have to make 1000s of rules.
::)
Did you actually try following and implementing the instructions ???
If you had, you would see that you apply a discount rule to the designated SHOPPER GROUP of the special pricing, NOT the individual products :o
The prices do not matter, nor how many there are, because VM is performing a math operation on said prices before anyone sees them guided by the group/rule relationship :o
Try it and see!
As I said before, it works with my inventory of 1400+ SKU's and three different shopper groups with three different pricing structures 8)
Yes if there would be only 2 different pricing rules ???
But our client has set the prices manually.
So the prices of the second shopper group aren't 10% cheaper/more expansive or doesn't cost 10€ more or less.
I have to set the sales prices, for example:
Product A of Shopper group A costs: 10€
Product B of Shopper group A costs: 15€
Product C of Shopper group A costs: 20€
Product A of Shopper group B costs: 20€
Product B of Shopper group B costs: 17€
Product C of Shopper group B costs: 21€
Yes, it would be easier if our client would have a better system for setting prices :)
With VM 1.1 you can set individual prices. We need it also for VM 2.
There has to be a base cost for the products you are re-selling no matter to what group you sell :o
If that is the case then you could use an add function (+%) on the rule and work from the base price up instead of backwards from the MSRP as I do for each group 8)
Or you could do an inverse math trick and discount from the highest price group to the lowest group using the subtract math function (-%) :o
Try using the different rule configurations and group combinations and see how things play out ???
I tried it out a few weeks ago. It works, but I would have to set a rule for nearly each product --> thousands of rules (for this client, for other clients 2 rules would be enough ::) )
Either the feature from VM 1.1 gets implemented in VM 2 or i have to copy the products for the second shopper group which i wanted to avoid.
Hi webzight, I tried as per your instruction and it worked wonderfully except for 2 issues:
1. The rule is not applied to the shopping cart
2. The rule is applied to all products except for (only) the first product in every categories.
Any light? thanks.
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saw this .I can see your issue maybe you can set % and then manual change price with this?
Quote from: webzight on July 22, 2012, 00:53:24 AM
Group Pricing or Discounts 101 :o
1) Goto Orders & Shoppers
2) Create "Discount" Shopper Group - I named one of mine Discount40 for 40% off MSRP and labeled same in description.
2a) "Enable shoppergroup specific price display" - Check the box :o
2b) "Show Prices" - Check the box :o
2c) Configure labels and prices for what you want displayed with this group - I checked both boxes for "Final salesprice" only, the others left blank 8)
2d) Save & Close
3) Goto Products - Click on Taxes & Calculation Rules (see where this going yet :o)
3a) Click on NEW (Big Yellow Plus icon, upper right corner of window)
3b) After new blank window opens, name your new "rule" what ever discount you have in mind, I named mine "40% Discount off MSRP"
3c) Description - I filled in "40% off MSRP"
3d) Type of Arithmetic Operation Select - Price modifier for Profit Margin
3e) Math Operation Select -%
3f) Value - Type in the value of the percentage discount you wish assign for this rule - I used 40 :o
3g) Set the Currency
3h) Product Category Here you can assign this rule to specific Product Category(s) :o Leave blank otherwise :o
3i) "Shopper Groups" Now here is the BIGGIE - This is where you assign this rule to the Discount Group(s) you setup previously 8)
3j) Country - Here you can apply a rule by Country(s) Leave blank otherwise :o
3k) State / Province / Region - Here you can apply a rule by State, Province, Region 8) Leave blank otherwise :o
3l) Visible for Shopper - Check the box :o
3m) Visible for vendor - You decide here for yourself 8)
3n) Set Start Date and End Date as you wish ::)
3o) Check over your settings and once satisfied, "Save & Close"
Got it working! Thanks!
PS: Just to be clear "2) Create "Discount" Shopper Group - I named one of mine Discount40 for 40% off MSRP and labeled same in description.", please, create a brand NEW shopper group, don't mess up with VM default groups! Really, this is a must!
Hi,
of some reason I cannot see on the product page in the discount dropdown options the rules that are defines as profig margin. When I change the rule as normal redution after the taxes and let's say -40% then I can see that in the options. What could be causing the profit margin not showing in the product discount options? I have 2.0.14 at use and I have added a new wholesale shoppergroup with "show shoppergroup prices" yes.
Greetings,
Anne
Hi,
what can be reason that I don't get the " Price modifier for Profit Margin" reduction option visible in the product page. It does not show as option at all. When I make the reduction as regular -% after taxes then it is showing to EVERYONE not only to the customer group. What am I doing wrong?
- Anne-Mari
Hi ,
I set the margin for price modifier for profit tax at -40%
I made a customer - a wholesaler
* When I logged in to the site the sales price on the product was 40% less .
maybe you might need to show us your tax setting.
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So it seems that I have missunderstood this function. What I need it a possibility to add different %-reductions for different products for one shoppergroup. If this is a general reduction then it does not help me. I need to be able to add different % for different products. Is there any way of doing that?
If I make a reagular -% reduction and choose it for one product, then all shoppergroups seem to inherit this reduction even when I have defined it only as wholesale group. Why is this happening? Is there any good way where I can have shoppergroup-price (varying according to the product) and still have the same stock-quantity-control (in other words no separate products for different shoppergroups, but one product and depending on the shoppergroup it shows different price?
Thanks!
- Anne
Hi,
I hope someone does this better that I do -
You problem is stock ( yes) - You just want one product stock option.
* I made a product - just like normal - published at $100.00
* I made one child from the same product - thus they inherit the parents cost etc .
* publish both
* add child to the Same product category -
Now you have two products ( add all the shopper groups to one say the parent ) - leave out the wholesaler
Now to the other child just add it to the whole sale group .
* Make the profit tax like before and publish it. ( set to only wholesaler)
* on your site you should see a one product to all.
* when the wholesaler logs in the price and product will be different with the tax (deduction).
* the stock- it work perfectly -
do not add stock to the child.
Hi,
what do you mean profit tax? You mean the Margin Profit %? Because if I understood that can be only one? I have profits ranging from 40 - 80% so each product has it's own. Do I just add a different price?
I'm not very familiar with the child-products. What do I have to add to the childs to make them work, other than the price and shoppergroup?
What about SKU for the child? Do I leave it empty?
f there is no stock defined will it use the parent stock? Do I have to do any special connecting of the parent-child expect that I create the child from the parent, does that automatically connect them to use the same stock?
Thanks!
Anne
Firstly you will need to set up a child products to get started-
* make a normal product
* then inside that product you will see child product >click and create one
* then go to products and you should see both in your list
* you do not have to give that product a SKU - it inherits the parents and the cost too.
* From here you now have a product ( the child one that is attached to the parents stock)
* you will have to now play with that product and see what options you would like to do
* one option is to hide it buy adding it to a shopper group your whole sale group.
* you then can play with the options for a whole sale shopper etc -
* the options of having different products have different cost based upon a % might be better tested by making the cost of the child product - " an actual " different price - type the new price -and maybe not use taxes. a universal deduction looks quite easy to do but multiple % deductions for multiple products for one group - looks difficult. I am still playing with options. I hope others might have a better solution for you.