After trying to install com_virtuemart.4.0.14.10805.zip, the following errors appear:
Warning
Install path does not exist.
Package Update: There was an error installing an extension: com_virtuemart.4.0.14.10805.zip
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Error
Error installing package
Do you mean from here? http://dev.virtuemart.net/projects/virtuemart/files ?
http://dev.virtuemart.net/attachments/download/1362/VirtueMart4.0.14_Joomla_3.10.11-Stable-Full_Package.zip
That's a full Joomla/VM starter package. Install as you would make a clean install of Joomla.
I saw that after I wrote the message.
Can any of the developers also make a package only for VM? I don't need to replace the entire J site.
Or get com_virtuemart.4.0.12.10777_package_or_extract.zip
extract the packages. You have all additional files, if needed, for eg. PDF generator
Thanks, but I wanted to use the latest version (I already have v4.0.12.10777 installed).
I think you need to buy a membership for that from now on. See https://virtuemart.net/news/511-effective-and-sustainable-funding-with-a-virtuemart-membership. Or build the package yourself.
I really like this solution - Respect! :)
Even the quickstart is not working.
But not having the component files what kind of logic is this?
A logic could be a free and a paid version with some extras, better coupons, colors , filters etc and of course with NO BUGS...
So if someone have an existing joomla site and want to install the latest virtuemart he just cannot? Intersting!
And this means joomla will have no longer a free eshop solution as the older versions only can be downloaded. There is no free and a paid version there is just only paid ones.
At least if we pay we should have no bugs at those versions and let the free for feautures and beta testers. But to pay and still have bugs? what's the reason?
This leaves joomla without a free eshop solution. Also 70 per domain is a suicide. There are a lot of free platforms out there which they are free on basic installation. Want more feautures?Want no bugs? you should pay.
A user that have 20 eshop have to give you 1400e per year to take the updates? You are talking to the final users or to companies that make eshops? From no charge ( free ) this gone to insane prices.
Quote from: niosme on March 23, 2023, 12:49:04 PM
A user that have 20 eshop have to give you 1400e per year to take the updates? You are talking to the final users or to companies that make eshops? From no charge ( free ) this gone to insane prices.
The
Platin subscription is for 9 domains. €33 ex / €39 incl per domain/shop per year. If a shop owner can't afford that, I'm not sure if it makes sense to have a webshop at all.
I see it as a positive change. Although could do with some improvements.
Virtuemart is not refering to shop owners but to companies.No installation package also bugs shop owners will never figure out..but correct me if i am wrong.So we are not talking about shop owners but to companies that making e commerce sites.
But at least if we pay shouldnt it be bug free? I am not opossite of paying but isnt too much for 20 domains and bugs come like a rain in each update?
Just saying at least those payed versions should be bug free. When someone pays needs a completly working product without problems everywhere. Do we have something like this here?
It could be the free buggy version and the premium payed. But not a payed buggy version.
The main think here is that there is no e commerce free solution in joomla 4 and later.
Quote from: niosme on March 23, 2023, 12:49:04 PM
Even the quickstart is not working.
It is not a Quickstart. A quickstart in the joomla world is an akeeba backup. The fullinstaller is a normal j3 with VM files and vm sample data. Opening the page leads you to the vm installer and so you end upa with a fresh joomla with fresh VM but vm sampledata.
Quote from: niosme on March 23, 2023, 12:49:04 PM
A logic could be a free and a paid version with some extras, better coupons, colors , filters etc and of course with NO BUGS...
Another version takes extra time to maintain. An release take a day or more, for 2 versions 2 days. It is a lot harder to get two versions bugfree, than one version, and so on. Another problem is that I do RapidPrototyping as Mechatronics do, so we have a constand evolving core. The old way is the revolutionary development. See Windows98 and WinXP. But if you compare windows 7 to win8 to win 10, you see a constant evolutionary development, without breaks, gaps and so on. I do the same for VM since vm2.0.
Quote from: niosme on March 23, 2023, 12:49:04 PM
So if someone have an existing joomla site and want to install the latest virtuemart he just cannot? Intersting!
First the SVN is free, of course you can do that. Second there is even a docs explaining how to create your own installers.
Quote from: niosme on March 23, 2023, 12:49:04 PM
And this means joomla will have no longer a free eshop solution as the older versions only can be downloaded. There is no free and a paid version there is just only paid ones.
No the fullinstaller is free and has the last files. So you can always start with the newest version. You can update manually by using the files, or you can pay 50 euro a year to download the last package installer. If you earn money with VM, it is really worth the 50 euro a year.
Quote from: niosme on March 23, 2023, 12:49:04 PM
At least if we pay we should have no bugs at those versions and let the free for feautures and beta testers. But to pay and still have bugs? what's the reason?
Then tell that NASA. I dont know, long time ago, that I read that. But the statistic is like that
normal code, 20 errors in 100 lines
commercial matured code 10 errors in 100 lines
miltary code 5 -10 errors in 100 lines
Space/Nuklear code less than 3 errors in 100 lines.
Something like that. It is impossible to deliver bugfree code, man. But the version 4.0.14 is almost only bugfixes compared to 4.0.12.
Quote from: niosme on March 23, 2023, 12:49:04 PM
Also 70 per domain is a suicide. There are a lot of free platforms out there which they are free on basic installation. Want more feautures?Want no bugs? you should pay.
A user that have 20 eshop have to give you 1400e per year to take the updates? You are talking to the final users or to companies that make eshops? From no charge ( free ) this gone to insane prices.
What you are talking for nonsense. The price is 50 euro for the first year and the following years currently just 42 euro. If you buy one domain. If you have 20 domains, you buy 2 platin memberships and you pay 33 euro per domain and the following years even less. Furthermore no one says you have to buy 20 memberships for 20 domains. Actually of course it is meant like that, then it is easy to use the joomla updater to update. But you can also just buy the membership for one domain and install it as often you want to. But of course Support is only for one domain and not for all shops.
HELLO,
bravo for this decision, I also think that all work deserves salary, and considering the amount of work done to improve Virtuemart, and make it compatible with the latest versions of Joomla.
Personally I use Virtuemart since Version 3, I solved some bug by myself knowing that these versions were completely free, but the few times that I needed help I was very well advised as much by Max than by Valerie.
It is therefore normal that in an era where everything is becoming very expensive, that it is necessary to remunerate people who work hard for the good of the community, and especially when they love their job.
Congratulations again Max
François (from France)
Actually i unzipped and full installer dont work. I was not refering too akeeba..
No the fullinstaller is free and has the last files. So you can always start with the newest version. You can update manually by using the files
An existing joomla site which want to add eshop functionallity how to use the full installer?Also the tutorial to create the installer is quite empty cause the sql changes are nowhere and more than this are not considered in this tutorial.
But of course Support is only for one domain and not for all shops.
Ok thats fair enough and can understand this
Again. Are you refering to companies or to the eshop owner?
QuoteAlso 70 per domain is a suicide. There are a lot of free platforms out there which they are free on basic installation. Want more feautures?Want no bugs? you should pay.
A user that have 20 eshop have to give you 1400e per year to take the updates? You are talking to the final users or to companies that make eshops? From no charge ( free ) this gone to insane prices.
If you are Fullstack Developer and Joomla Expert
I think you charge for your work!
20 domains with platinum: €33 excl. VAT x 20 = €660 excl. VAT per year
i.e. €55 excl. tax per month for 20 shops
i.e. €2.76 excl. tax per month per shop
Re-invoiced (1.5) to each store
€4.15 excl. VAT per month per shop = 49.98 excl. VAT per year per shop
i.e. €996.00 excl. tax for 20 shops
i.e. 336 € excl. tax of profit per year only for Virtuemart
After trying to update VirtueMart 4.0.14, the following errors appear:
Failed to extract file: index.php_option_com_virtuemart_view_plugin_name_istraxx_download_byhost
The solution from Max is perfect, I personally have more trust in Virtuemart development now than before.
If you look at long term solution for your shop you want to have some solution which you can trust, they will continue with development in future.
Only problem I see is that people don't understand the concept, they think for each domain you will need to pay and they are afraid it will cost too much. That could be turn off for many.
So here is explanation:
I have subscription and I see the link to -> com_virtuemart.4.0.14.10805_package_or_extract.zip
You can download this package and update as many domains you want. Just install package via Joomla extensions.
Only support from developer team will be for one domain and only one domain will have auto update.
I think is more than fair this way.
Also i am a joomla volunteer and i try to understand the concept and i want you to explain me how an open source user can make an installation at a joomla 4 site.
Prompting users to start with a joomla 3 installation which already stopped updating?
Can you explain me the steps to install it on a Joomla 4 site?
Tell me someone who is not afraid of doing the vm updates because the site can be destroyed or be buggy cause of not tested code etc?
Is virtuemart fully working at php 8 or we should use the outdated php versions with an outdated joomla3 also?
Is text editor really using the tinymce or we have to install the jceeditor?
Want to discuss and count about the tons of bugs still not solved? And not really bugs. But outdated code.
Pay and still have bugs in every site and exposing our selfs in our clients?Exposed already so many times and everyone knows the struggle of updating..because you have to check that everything works fine cause noone does this.
normal code, 20 errors in 100 lines
commercial matured code 10 errors in 100 lines
that is really funny.. so the code i write is a space/nuklear code?
The apps i made like demosites.deliveryplus.gr ( efood web app ) for joomla is a quick order complicated logic application that have no errors and is big enough.When i figure out something i fix it write away.Almost zero errors at uncountable lines of code.
And virtuemart got 10,20 or more errors in each 100 lines of code?
So we are talking about payed beta testers? Is there a really stable version after vm 3.8.8?
To pay is ok but what really changed?
I'm using Virtuemart on live J4 websites.
Is not perfect but is the best tool we have for Joomla.
I agree than now for the payment you should get code without bugs.
But I didn't find any extension for Joomla at the moment with bug free updates.
Except maybe
RO CSVI is bright example
But with all others extensions I always test before I go live or sometime, I just pray to not broke whole site after I update something withut testing :)
Maybe a bit off topic but still wanted to chip in :
I'm still on VM 3.8.8 10472 & J3.10.11 due to the extreme amounts of custom work and extensions I have on my site. I have not yet dared to upgrade to J4 and VM4, but I understand it will come a day when it's a good idea to do so.
But my point is that I truly support this new business model. VM is a vital part of my business (and my life), and I understand funding has been an issue for a long time. I'm a "hobby developer", and the flexibility VM provides is superior to all other shop systems I've tried out (and that's quite a few).
Looking forward to what the future will bring. Well done @Milbo!
@ViPeS The new VM4.0.14 is a full Joomla plus Virtuemart package. Use it as a clean Joomla installation - it is not for updating existing Joomla sites, but functions as a starter for those trying out VM as it is pre-configured with sample data. Unfortunately, the "updater" in Joomla lists it incorrectly.
See http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=149706.msg534877#msg534877
QuoteThe main think here is that there is no e commerce free solution in joomla 4 and later.
You are wrong...
If you know, then you can create installation package from SVN - we created copy into github.
Or you can use other app, not VirtueMart which is free.
"you can create installation package from SVN" does this have sql changes?
My question is how a normal user can add e commerce funtionallity to a joomla 4 already installed site.Can someone write down the steps?
Also the full installation package for joomla 3 throws 500 internal server error before installing. ( we cannot even check what is fixed or if it fits our needings in a demo installation ) Can someone write down the steps for this too?
This is so funny but the 1st of April didnt yet come!
Maybe you can make stable and bug free version like 4.0.14 and then make it paid, from 4.0.14 and above.
Regards!
Quote from: niosme on March 27, 2023, 11:54:58 AM
Also the full installation package for joomla 3 throws 500 internal server error before installing. ( we cannot even check what is fixed or if it fits our needings in a demo installation ) Can someone write down the steps for this too?
The http://dev.virtuemart.net/attachments/download/1362/VirtueMart4.0.14_Joomla_3.10.11-Stable-Full_Package.zip installs just fine for me with no errors.
Download the package and FTP onto the server. Unzip the package (if your host does not support zip then unzip locally and FTP all the files to the server). Then follow the standard Jooml installation procedure: https://docs.joomla.org/J3.x:Installing_Joomla
cPanel can usually be used where FTP is not available.
When Joomla installation completes you are offered to install VirtueMart or VirtueMart with sample data. I always recommend installing sample data as then there is already a working shop demo.
Joomla installs just fine when i unzip it but the vm stable full package throws 500 error.
Also i prefer to use joomla 4 as joomla 3 is not recommended and abbandoned.
It maybe its the folders rights i cannot imagine why is this happening. Because i am the host also with my own ip's and server i upload it via ftp also via cpanel unzip it and called the url to continue installation. I will do more tries to see if a can achieve that. I have done uncountouble installations before this is the first time this is happening.
Quote"You are wrong...
If you know, then you can create installation package from SVN - we created copy into github."
Still cant find the sql changes on the svn package you all guys saying which is a main think on updates.
Free for buggy known versions is like a trap. Its not the right way to go. But paying to become just a payed beta tester? as i see the latest version have still a lot of bugs/errors.At least before we got kwown bugs that we fixed them by changing the core code or by overwrites to get it work,but now like before and in every installation or update its like opening a box of bugs and randomly choosing from the box.Something fixing something else its been destroyed.
Quote"Or you can use other app, not VirtueMart which is free."
Free by what meaning? In our case what i clearly can say we have the free beta testers to a kwown buggy version and payed ones to kwown and ukwown bugs.
One ananswered question i have also is
"How a normal user can add e commerce funtionallity to a joomla 4 already installed site.Can someone write down the steps?"We still must use old joomla 3 instead of joomla 4 and an completly outaded php version to have vm running.And i ask again. Is really something changed? For me is just getting more and more difficutl every time which i already kwon the steps.Imagine someone who is new on that headache.
Best regards.
QuoteStill cant find the sql changes on the svn package you all guys saying which is a main think on updates.
SQL what?
We have VirtueMart and VirtueMart AIO in our github from SVN.
I save from github to zip and install into Joomla.
What do you mean SQL changes?
Do you want package only for update (as Joomla)?
I don't see anytime for VM
QuoteFree by what meaning?
The idea is that other ecommerce applications for Joomla are free.
But for my purposes they don't suit
Whoever wants a bug free version i am posting my customized installation where i fixed some common and uncommon bugs.
It doesnt include frontend templates as i never use them cause i have made my own.Αlso this version runs perfect with php 8 and joomla 3 & 4.
I done some customizations on the backend template for joomla 4 cause it looks like crap but i ll not post them.You can add that kind of customizations in custom.css or user.css file template file you use.
Here is my bug free version if anyone needs it.Its what i use to be calm.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1v1xtomlrf4n7g3/com_virtuemart.4.0.12.10777_package_or_extract_CUSTOMIZED_LAST.zip/file (https://www.mediafire.com/file/1v1xtomlrf4n7g3/com_virtuemart.4.0.12.10777_package_or_extract_CUSTOMIZED_LAST.zip/file)
niosme. VM have an internal checking tool on install for SQL table updates. So no you don not see directly the mysql changes
About your package. You can perhaps explain what you fix in your custom package ?
QuoteVM have an internal checking tool on install for SQL table updates. So no you don not see directly the mysql changes
That was on reference that we can create our own installation of 4.0.14 but we see only files and we have not the internal checking tool for SQL table updates.
You can make an installation for free to check what solved or not but that installation will have outdated database. So this installation will not work as expected is what i am saying. So as a result we cannot create installation from SVN.
So i fixed router , editor custom field which was buggy , done some changes to work with php8, fixed router problems by replacing with the latest version vm files, children product prices which they not inherting price.Also passed some files from the latest vm version.
Now i dont remember if something else is fixed but i dont think show. I pass the changes inside when i see something fixed.
Also i use your extensions which are awesome like the vmcustom_variant which is brilliant and small which i found it before a week or two. Also from minijoomla which he have awesome extensions also as product import.
You guys doing a nice job there.
But as i am saying letting a buggy version to let users install it and the prompt them to buy another buggy as we see in the forum posts is not a way to go.
Its like setting a trap waiting a user to be disappointed to make him pay.
As i dont expect your extensions that i pay to have bugs vm should have not have that kind of bugs like not running on php8 and a lot of other problems like routing.
So in conlcusion i just fixed some common problems, i made it work in joomla 4 with latest php.Also i replaced some of the updated files of the latest version 4.0.14.
In this new version I found a bug and went back to the previous 4.0.12
After launching the new version, additional images in the product list stopped showing up.
I believe that everything should be tested before publishing a stable version.
QuoteI believe that everything should be tested before publishing a stable version.
Dont be ungrateful.You can pay if you want the version to be tested by yourself.
I agree with what Niosma says. I just paid for the membership for a domain, I expected that the problems that we all have and according to what is read in the forum had been solved and would be in a new version, but it is not like that, the problems continue to exist.
Among them:
PHP8 not working
The webp images, as I have put in the post where the solution is given.
These are just a few, there are many more that I don't remember, and if, as it is read in the forum, they have been found and it is said that they will be solved in the next version, I do not understand why it is not so.
I don't mind paying for something, but if it works well.