I´ve used VM since v 1.0.7 and it´s doing it´s job just fine except from some much needed modifications.
I´ve asked some questions on this forum and some have been answered, some haven´t. That´s OK, since I haven´t paid a dime for the software besides some commercial mods.
I was thinking that instead of posting a individual request on joomlancer, maybe some of you other VM users might wanna participate and we could all pitch in to get modifications done? Personally, I don´t mind if that modification later get´s included for free in later versions of VM. Instead of me paying $100 for a custom mod done for me, I´d rather spend 25 bucks and 3 other users could benefit from it.This might be a way to speed up development significally, since the mod creators would get a bit more than just cred? Although, cred is nice too but doesn´t pay the bills!
;)
So, here´s an example:
1, I might need a custom mod done, for example a gift certificate, so I post a request for this mod along with the features I´d like included.
2, The super experienced user "X" responds to my request and says that he could get this mod done for $100 and that the work would take approx. 1 week.
3, I announce a personal donation of $30.
4, User "Y" would also like this feature and will pitch in $20 for this.
5, One day later, 8 more users have showed their interest for this mod and are giving $10 each.
6, The $100 limit is reached, at least according to the forum response, and user "X" announces that he will begin working on the mod as soon as the payment is received on his PayPal account along with an email adress to send the final mod to.
7, A couple of days later, user "X" replies that the requested amount has been received and the job is "in progress".
8, One week later, the mod is done and emailed to the users involved and everybody wins!
9, Six people returns to the thread and praises their new mod so much that another 18 people desides to pay the mod maker $10 each.
10, The mod maker receives additional payments and sends the mod to the concerned users and then decides to upgrade the mod with some new features since the he has received over $300 so far. He then sends the updated version to all registered users.
Well, the example could go on and on but you get the point...
:)
I know there are some details that has to been worked out in order for this to work but right now, it would be interesting to get some feedback on this?
Rock on!
/..EyeScream
HI
works for me, and I would be very interested. I have a number of small mods, which from what I can see woud be simple for an experienced developer, but way over my head.
Perhaps I can start the ball rolling
1. Manual Order Entry
I am looking for a system to enter and edit orders manually, where the email address is not mandatory (eg Telephone orders) with an admin price and postage override.This would allow me to enter EBay orders where the final price and shipping is not known. - Wil contribute $50.
2. Multiple OrderStatus updates
The ability to update the Order status for multiple orders with one click. e.g. a tick in a check box, and one button on the toolbar to update to a different status. e.g. pending to confirmed, confirmed to shipped etc - Will contribute $50
3. Invoice/Label Printing
The ability to print shipping labels/invoices for multiple orders at once, using a standard Avery label(customisable to allow selection of label) - Will contribute $50
4. Improved Jambo reports
The ability to export order information, using a selectable date and/or order number range, producing:
- No of units each item and Revenue
- Postage costs and Revenue.
- Sub Totalled by Payment type (not essential but highly desirable.)
I have Jambo installed with the VM-CSV addin, but tis does not produce exactly what I need.
This would allow me to produce a summary report to integrateweekly into my accounting program -will contribute $50
John
OK!
Nice start!
Even if this is not a priority 1 feature for me, I could also pitch in $30 for a mod that allows manually entering of orders.
Anyone else in need of this?
Oh yeah... Anyone up for this challenge by the way?
;)
/..EyeScream
I would pitch in for useful mods.
That's an interesting suggestion. Let's start with Mod no. 2. I will take the challenge of doing this with $50. Please let me have the email address I should send the finished mod to.
Joseph
Hi
The thread was started by Eye Scream, and I don't want to steal his thunder, but I am happy to act as co-ordinator for this particular Mod if he agrees.
John
Quote from: Joseph Kwan on June 23, 2007, 07:52:27 AM
That's an interesting suggestion. Let's start with Mod no. 2. I will take the challenge of doing this with $50. Please let me have the email address I should send the finished mod to.
Joseph
Some one can register a project here and raise money http://www.fundable.org
Ey!
I see that things seems to be moving in the right direction...
Quote from: John - Australia on June 25, 2007, 03:27:15 AM
Hi
The thread was started by Eye Scream, and I don't want to steal his thunder, but I am happy to act as co-ordinator for this particular Mod if he agrees.
John
Quote from: Joseph Kwan on June 23, 2007, 07:52:27 AM
That's an interesting suggestion. Let's start with Mod no. 2. I will take the challenge of doing this with $50. Please let me have the email address I should send the finished mod to.
Joseph
Go for it, John!
My intention was to raise some thoughts about this joint-effort-pay-some-guy-a-reasonable-amount-of-cash-each-and-everybody-gets-happy-project and see where it ended. It looks like this actually could work, especially with the help of the link that aravot provided!
I was thinking for a while about a Joomla site with a similar setup as fundable.org but why re-invent the wheel again?
It would be nice though to be able to organize different projects in a more reasonable way, if the requests should continue?
Does anyone have any bright ideas? Maybe it´s enough to post the requests in "Commercial Jobs"?
/..EyeScream
No 1 is very interesting and I would gladly contribute $100.00 to be able to add orders for any customer in the admin backend.
Hi
OK. I will co-ordinate both No 1 and No 2.
Joseph Kwan has offered No 2 for $50. Please send it to jwrigley@microtechdirect.com. Where do I send the $50.
No 1 is now available at $150 for any takers.
John
Bulk Update of Order Status mod is completed. For detail please see this thread:
http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=29679.0
Hi,
Here (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=28283.0) is another thread where people can join forces to have improvments like an improved coupon system or gift certificate, manual order entry system, etc...
All theses tweaks seems to be done as component so it doesn't affect the "core" of virtuemart.
You should contact the owner of the componenents who seems to be open to share it once he had sufficient money to cover what he already paid.
I'm all for it. I am looking for custom options and would definatlely use the pool pay system.
Jeff
I think I can work on a shipping label printing module for $100 with a specified label size. Each additional label size will add $10. Label size management interface (add/delete/modify) can be added for an extra $100.
The printing module will produce a pdf (to avoid browser issue) of the shipping labels and would allow a logo/message added to the label.
I am interested in;
Gift wrap option
Gift registry, there is one available (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=11726.0) but has some issues may someone could take over and make it better.
this is a gay idea!!!!
-it defeats the concept of opensource
-also its only a 100 dollar project for example why would you give the developer all 300(from your example) that is a waste, you can funded 2 more 100 dollar projects.
-more than likely if you have a real world mod you nee others will need it too, so posting it here and having someone here help you allows everyone to benifit
-i can go on and on..but a bad idea in gereral....
more than likely what you want is in the works or on the to do list...if you need it asap, at least pay the people here to do (we all are doing this for free but some may be able to help out faster if they can get paid....) and then the open source goodies will trickle to everyone... you only pay to the asap of the project basically... not only that once we do the mod correctly and release it your mod will have been a waste of money and possibly useless since it will not become part of the core vm
-good luck...bad idea..no help from me...
Well... Another well formulated reply from crackdaddy...
Here´s at least my opinions.
"-it defeats the concept of opensource".
Why? A good module, mambot, module or plain hack finds its way into the core no matter if it has been developed with or without funding? I thought I clearly stated in my initial post that I´m all up for releasing custom mods that I´ve been co-funding for public use once it´s ready? What would be the difference between a funded mod and a non-funded? More open-sourcish code?
"-also its only a 100 dollar project for example why would you give the developer all 300(from your example) that is a waste, you can funded 2 more 100 dollar projects."
I wanted the users on this forum to give their opinion about this idea. I never mentioned that "this is my idea, take it or leave it"... I don´t know about the other users using VM but I make money with this software, plain and simple. When i request something, it´s because I´m in need of a solution as soon as possible. Yes, more $100 projects could be funded but I´d rather see the overflow money being donated back into the Virtuemart project.
"-more than likely if you have a real world mod you nee others will need it too, so posting it here and having someone here help you allows everyone to benifit"
Thats the point... Speeding up development. How many commercially developed VM hacks requested on joomlancers have been released to the public after completion?
"-i can go on and on..but a bad idea in gereral....
more than likely what you want is in the works or on the to do list...if you need it asap, at least pay the people here to do (we all are doing this for free but some may be able to help out faster if they can get paid....) and then the open source goodies will trickle to everyone... you only pay to the asap of the project basically... not only that once we do the mod correctly and release it your mod will have been a waste of money and possibly useless since it will not become part of the core vm"
Well, I wouldn´t have started this thread if this was the case, would I? As I mentioned earlier, I run a business with this application. I could easily switch platform to CS-Cart, X-cart, Pinnacle, etc but I happen to like VirtueMart despite that there are features that should have been introduced a long time ago, for example gift certificates. If 3 users pay a developer $50 each and the mod get´s done in 4 days and later released to the public... I don´t see the problem?
"-good luck...bad idea..no help from me..."
Well, seriously... You have some skills but you have a really annoying attitude. From what I´ve seen, there are plenty of other users that gets the job done and with a far more professional approach than yours.
/..EyeScream
well if you gonna try to prove your correct in your statment let me add a quote by you which goes agains what you just said
"8, One week later, the mod is done and emailed to the users involved and everybody wins!"
&
"10, The mod maker receives additional payments and sends the mod to the concerned users and then decides to upgrade the mod with some new features since the he has received over $300 so far. He then sends the updated version to all registered users."
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your statements do not imply giving anything back ALL the vm users,
only those who paid... nor only paing the desired amount to the coder....
get your facts straight and go waste your money... i dont care...people are allowed to be stupid
I also said "Personally, I don´t mind if that modification later get´s included for free in later versions of VM".
and later on:
"My intention was to raise some thoughts about this joint-effort-pay-some-guy-a-reasonable-amount-of-cash-each-and-everybody-gets-happy-project and see where it ended."
At the time of writing I was not clear about what I wanted at all, and my intention was that the scenario I described should be considered as an example and not as a evil "crush all open source projects" suggestion.
Although, you obviously didn´t understand this, Joseph Kwan actually did. For $50, Joseph took on a request from "John - Australia" and also released it to the public: http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=29679.0
Of course you could have done Josephs work a lot better and faster and also completely for free!
::)
You also say that you don´t care... OK? And you´re writing here because...?
Maybe because this idea is, as you so elegentally put it, a "gay idea".
Do you perhaps like gay ideas and therefor your sudden engagement?
"Stupid is as stupid does".
/..EyeScream
I have a Gift Registry Module. I'm not sure how to do this because it was passed to me with the deal that, if I get it working, I simply make it available as a free open-source Mod. However, I have spent nearly a week on it and do not seem to have it close to working.
I would go for the Split-the-Tab arrangement to continue working on it, or we could spread the work out among several of us and get the thing working.
I am including a zip of the Mod as it stands (not working) for anyone who would like to take a stab at it. I have cleaned up the code somewhat and removed the most egregious issues with it, but it still throws out multiple errors and fails to connect numerous strings. >:(
I could continue working on it for about $150 of combined dollars, or share the load in fixing it.
Any thoughts?
Stacey
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i think the idea of joining funds to get a new idea through fast is great! however, i do think everyone should be able to benefit from it soon thereafter as well. maybe in a followup release or so. on the other hand more testers the better as well. since the mods are fairly cheap it probably doesnt matter much as long as a few people contribute toward the cost to get it done.
i was needing a catalog on one side of the screen with a shopping cart on teh other side of the screen such that when an item is slected it is added toteh cart immediately and can be clearly seen as such. i mostly just need long length text items to be clickable for inclusion into the shopping cart.i dont want it to change screens and ask for more info. everything would be modifyable on the catalog, probably using the great atrribute hack on this site.
anybody know if this already exists and how to set it up that way. im new to vm so learning. or can anybody offer a good way to do it and come up with a price?
i do think that many people would find a shopping cart like this useful. it makes it easier for a customer to see what they can buy and have selected to buy without so much screen swapping.
thanks for any input!
Just and idea: Why not making this mods freely available to the public after some time ?
maia
Hi,
I have had thoughts about this issue also.
Most of VM users have benefited from it one way or another. Because of its very nature as a shopping cart component funds are more available to finance development.
It seems to me that the needs for features is there. There is also the willingness to contribute by many and finance development for a specific feature . What I think we are missing here is a system in place that allows contributions to specific projects according to users real need.
A solution was devised and exists. We implemented it in CSVimproved.com using Virtuemart as a donation component. With some minor changes this can be done: change language file to adapt it to a donation lingo and Use the stock component to measure as donation goal (once stock is exhausted the donation goal has been met). Each project becomes a product and can be donated to. The most popular module becomes the Donation Ladder and project priority list: the more donations the higher the projects priority.
Once a Donation Goal is reached the project can be developed or outsourced by the community, developed and then made available.
This system encourages donations to specific needs and I believe this makes a big difference. The Projects priority determined by the amount of donations and community contributions. It works more in the real world and makes contributing to a project simple and easy . This is important for intention to become action.
This is a very easy to implement solution. I hope the dev Team implements it or something similar because we all, the community, will benefit. If I can be of any help please let me know.
Joachim
Please don't let me take anybodies position here but i have had an idea for a while and kind of kept it to myself for a while especially now with the talks of the GPL licence thing.
I have just done the RSS feeder that I have been trying to drum up a little attention with in the rest of the forum, and whilst doing it found that VirtueMart needs some serious updating. Not in code quality or anything like that as that is excellent, but in the fields and options available. For example one of the things that Froogle asks for is the MPN (Manufacturers Part Number), the Bar Code, and a few other bits, well actually more like a list a mile long. Here are a few squillion attributes that Google would like to use to make your products more search-able in their system.
http://base.google.co.uk/base/help/products.html#specific
What i wanted to do, is make a club like rocket themes that you join for the extra support, but also with the extra financial help we would develop and produce like a VirtueMart Pro version with a list of extras that can be developed with the time the financial help gives, that would then be given for free to the core team when we have the next version ready or a period of time has gone past. So every time a new version of VM comes out, we would take it and a few days later release it again with the new bits and bobs.
You would also then have a paid dedicated team to help you out when you get stuck, so when you write a note on the forum, it will be answered with an answer from a professional team of coders who are paid to sit there and answer them, rather than praying somebody during their lunch break will happen to spot your question and also have the time to answer it, which we all know how many unanswered questions there are on the Virtuemart forums.
I'm not trying to take VirtueMart away from the core programmer's in fact nothing like that, I want to help them with the commercial time that the money will allow including bringing them in on this. I am more than happy to pay for my share of the system, as I charge quite good money every time I sell a site using Joomla and VM, so I think the serious guys here that really do make their living from this probably wouldn't mind giving a few hundred pounds per year to help improve the product that helps put food on their table.
Im sure the main reason why these extras aren't there already after all these years is purely based on "money Vs Time", and it is starting to really annoy me this talk about open source and putting back into the community. I will give it to the community, but the people complaining take this system and then sell it to their clients. So people expect others to work on perfect hack free and secure code for free then its ok for others to sell it them selves or make their own shop which in turn makes money, and if the programmers ask for help financially they are out of order!!!
Be serious, what ever the GPL says (and yes i have read it back to front) doesn't make that theory correct.
I could put a wish list on here a mile long of extras, but most of them will need the system to have permanent hacks, like extra fields and information to be input into the system on the product page.
Here are a few
- Sage accounting and stock control link, I have a client waiting for that now!
- How about a proper mini accounts system, allowing people to add in outgoings as well, for the smaller one man businesses, like an online shop, its already 70% or so there, just add the few extra options to do the rest
- Make it 100% validate in XHTML
- Multiple shop system working bug free to make like an online department store
- Get a simple auction bit working
- A full site map, built in
- Template choice (visually like in the Joomla template manager) for category and fly-page.
- Template installer system, to allow others to sell templates that can be installed
- Froogle product information, so product type, ISBN code etc will be chosen from drop down menus.
- Show orders by user, so what has each user ordered, my clients all ask why it isn't there. This would then open up suggested products, so as you upload a product it could automatically fire an email to the past buyer to tell them about it increasing sales potential.
- "Other people also found these products interesting" so as you add the product to your basket, it would then automatically suggest other products the system thinks are related.
- Basket is saved to each user, so even when they log-out at work and go home, or a few weeks later, the products are still in their account. (Every client I have asks about this)
- EBay shop link and set up to synchronise the shops, which i have seen on other commercial systems.
- A much better multiple image system (but I'm sure i read that's in VM1.1)
- Turn menus on and off in the admin, so a small one man business doesn't become too confused with huge amounts of options that they will never need or use.
(please excuse me if some of them are already in there, its just what i have been asked for by my clients and even though i have built hundreds of sites, i very rarely use it :))
I have already priced many parts of this kind of work up with a few VERY GOOD freelancers and companies I have worked with, and you are looking at about $3000 USD or so, which is a lot, but in GBP that's only about £1500, so if 50 people paid to be part of this club £30 per year, the work is paid for.
Imagine the system you could then sell to your clients, to be honest I don't think there is even a commercial ecommerce system on the market at the moment that could equal that spec.
But I honestly believe the next big move required is price comparison sites compatibility, and not just Google Base.
Would this idea annoy too many people, especially all you die hard Open Source guys?
Sorry for the grammar errors, but its almost 4am here and I was just about to go to bed, when I read this thread and decided to spend another 45 mins writing this up.
I do like Joachim's idea. :)
Coders could submit proposed component ideas along with the minimum cash amount they are willing to accept for designing the component. Then, Site designers could donate whatever they are willing to contribute until the minimum has been achieved. Once that amount is raised, each of the Donors is billed through PayPal (or whatever) and work commences. Once the component is complete, the cash that was raised goes to the coder(s) and the component goes Open-Source.
So - if you have a client drooling over a feature, you will pitch in the dough and pass the expense on to the client.The work will get done more quickly, and the client will be happy. Then, those without the funds to purchase components will simply wait (how-ever long) until the adequate funding is raised and the component is publicly released.
One thing that does happen, as things now stand, is that people tend to build what they need, and we, who have not contributed cash toward the project, for whatever reason, will be putting "sweat equity" into the project by contributing our coding efforts for the benefit of the community at some point in time. This may be a slower way to get things done, but in the absence of an organized way to pass the cash, this does seem to be working pretty well. :)
Anyway, just my 2¢ worth...
Stacey
the concept of an open source project with a community development is functionally sound if it is implimented correctly, as you have many people working on a comon goal and many people working to make it better.
the problem is when things are fixed or improved by people
who do not have the direct power to impliment them into the core project.
the effort is wasted and everyone looses.
-devlopers also might not adhear to the coding standards need to integrate into the core project, there by beeing a waste of effort.
-each task of the needed additon to the core is not fully discussed so all the bases are corvered before the work is started
-core tasks are not designed or engineered correctly to be db driven and scalable for future upgrades to subfeature sets
- too many people are trying to do the same things in each of their own ways( many people are builind/coding for the same functionality but each with their own specifics then need, instead of designing the core function with all the options every is needing built in it)
- you can never have too much functionality, just cause you dont need its no big deal
these are basic principles that should be applied to development regardless if you pay or dont for the development
i am or paying if i dont have time to code it...provided it is done correctly
but i think it should be released back at the same time to everyone for the greater good of the project
your money paid for your need to have asap which you got,, and everone else will have the pleasure of also receiving the benifit, but that dosnt mean they want it or actually need it... it just builds the project up so everyone will benifit even you, because if you paid for the mod and release it back the same time you get it, it can be integrated into the core , and now that is off the check list and the core team(the community will not redevelope the same thing beause you were greedy) so the core vm project leaps ahead, removing this item from the list, now they can either work to make it better or focus on something else... everyone wins, beacuse you also get access to the core and other things you want that get done for free now get done faster thanks to you
so if its done correctly, i am all for paying for a job.
if we(as a community ) are going to pay developers, it should be handled thru this website in a specal area, and integrated into the core "to do" list so we are all on the same page and no one wastes their time on something that is already being completed
there should also be a standard that the developer must adhear to as being qualified to make it work, and keep to the standards of the project so the code can be integrated into the core--- no patches or hacks
...its all about building up the project ...there is no point to making somethings if everytime the core is updated, you have tyo modd out a bunch of crap...or you cnat update beacuse you modded something...
the core vm team(the people who are the final sayso) must focus on getting this code into the core vm asap.. and releasing the new build as soon as it integrated....
if the core vm team is not open to change and ingration of the core in a timely manner then we must consider a new buld of the project and seperate away...much like joomla did from mambo
at some point i also feel we must redeisgn this platform from the ground up...most likely when joomla1.5 comes out stable... vm was born from an illdesigned cart called mambo shop....we spend most our time fixing the bulshit left from it to make it work correct ....and the other time reengineering the stucture of it to make it function the way it should have been desinged to begin with....i feel it would be best to redeisgn this cart from the ground up....an "throw away all the code"
anyway those are my 2cents
Hi Stacey,
Thanks for your feedback. Very good overview of the process. Now it only has to get done. I really think this will benefit us all. I also agree that once the feature is developed it has to go to open source. All of us have benefited from it and it is a great way to give back to the community. With more goodies!
I don't think it is necessary to "escrow" the funds. I think is has to be commitment based and managed by The Virtuemart Dev Tem.
Now we just need an Ear for this to be implemented. Its just a matter of installing VM in Virtuemart.net ;) and adapting it a bit.
Please let me know if there is anything i can do to help implementing this.
Joachim
Hi Crackdaddy,
You got some very good points there, specially the one about the developed parts retaining their functionality. This is crucial.
No matters how new features are developed, in the core team or outsourced, they have to maintain uniformity and functionality as VM upgrades.
The point is that It would be great to have a system that can bridge customers needs and development by creating an avenue to easily finance a speciffic projects. They can become part of the core or not depending on their functionalities.
I think that VM is an awsome shopping cart. It has great features and great potential of development. I love it and thats why I chose it. ;)
I also think that development can be greatly accelerated if it takes full advantage of Joomla's modular philosophy .
Some food for thought,
Joachim
I do agree VM developers do their own thing without listening to users requests, there are really good hacks / modification but none are implemented don't know why.
Since the announcement (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=256&Itemid=57) that VM will be Joomla only, some guy(s) want to fork the project (http://forum.mambo-foundation.org/showpost.php?p=31838&postcount=20) into Mambo if that happens, hope other developers listen to the users and implement stuff that matters.
Hi Aravot
My experience, to the contrary, has been that the Team listeners to users.
As a community we got to be aware that there are always limitations, including time and money among others. Any development is a process where the products is going trough stages of improvement. From this point of view I really can appreciate the great effort the VM team has made and the great results that have been acomplished.
I see it as more of a matter of implementing systems that connect users, with specific needs and that have the resources to finance it, and the developers, for the benefit of the community as a whole. New possibilities to increase financing, accelerate development of new features and perhaps fresh ideas that bring VM to the next level.
Joachim
Wow! I return to the thread to find that some really interesting ideas have been contributed!
This is great!
I know that involving funding in a open source is a sensitive matter but I firmly believe that commercially developed modifications is a good way to speed up things around here, especially if the mods get released back to the community as soon as a working solution has been presented. This would be the preferred solution (at least for me) since the further development of the mod is maintained by the open source community and not depending on a single developer. I work as an IT consultant and I´m also running a online store through Virtuemart, so I would benefit from this both as an VM user and also as a consultant.
If one of my clients, for example, would like to be able to present their products in 5-step-packages, I could request this and let my client pay for this custom work. If other users would benefit from this mod, that would be great since the development and future compatibility is of interest to more people than just myself.
The thoughts and ideas from the developers are not only interesting but also crucial for this idea to work.
da8iwr had an idea about a "Virtuemart Pro" version and this sounds interesting although I think that the best way is to integrate the development within the existing VM page because it would be easier to keep track of develeopment and future core integrations, as crackdaddy mentioned earlier.
I never thought that I would write this by the way but, to my surprise, crackdaddy actually summarized my thoughts quite well!
;)
Joachim A mentioned that this could be a matter of installing VM in Virtuemart.net and customize it and I believe that it would be a good start. It would need some customization in order for this to work and also some administration time.
I´d really like to know what Soeren and/or the other core developers think of this idea and the possibility to implement it on the current site?
Be well!
/..EyeScream
Hi Eyescream,
I agree with you.
By my own experience It is fairly easy to implement from the structural point. there is no harcode changes necesary. Just installing and configuring VM and changes in the Language files (change Price to Donation, and items in stock to donations still needed) ) and graphics (change add to cart to donate).
You can see it at work is csvimproved.com.
Most of the work would be to create the products (Vm projects and requests). This could be done by anyone willing to help creating a CSV file with all the existing request.
I also hope the team implements this,
Joachim
CrackDaddy,
If I may, :) I would like to thank you for showing professionalism and courtesy in your recent response. You, no doubt, remember my frustration with some previous posts. I like to "call a Spade a Spade," and that includes Complements as well as Criticism. You certainly demonstrated that you do intend to make positive contributions to this community, and I stand corrected. If you continue in this way, you will definitely earn my respect as a Professional.
Thanks, :)
Stacey
*cough*
http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,2650/Itemid,35/
*cough*
I have absolutely NO idea whats written on the publishers homepage but still...
;)
/..EyeScream
hey people,
the batch update of order status mod contained in this thread is great and works well,
I have also found a mod located here :
http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=22397
it the printing of multiple orders.
I'm a code 'hacker', no coder, i have combined these 2 mods and they work well, but for some reason the date is not showing correctly on the order.order_list page (it's not showing the year), can someone please take a look at the package i have attached in the above mention thread and tell what's wrong.
Thanks in anticipation.....
Funding is always an issue for open source software. Many people have coding skills and donate much of their time to development. Many other people do not have the technical skills, and can only donate money or other support. As projects become more complex, they can become more than a full time job. Most projects have a donate system for this.
In the case of donations targeted at mods or code that the person donating wants completed, there is an excellent example in use by the people maintaining the Horde webmail system ( reference http://horde.org/bounties/ (http://horde.org/bounties/) ). They allow people to post bounties on mods. Many of these people are businesses that are making money and want the mods. The mods are written by individuals or sometimes by the core team and the bounty received. The code itself is open source and becomes part of the project. Its actually a good route to generate more funding for a project. Also, for businesses it is easier to justify that they spent $500 on a mod to excellent software than it is to convince management to donate straight out. The key here is that to mod developers (in some cases the core team) get funded to continue working, and the community at large benefits from to code.
what if the funding went to the core project and the core prject managers delegated the jobs to quaified applicants, thereby mainting the quality control and instant integration into the core code of vm, we could setup a scriptlance area where dev could apply or bid on certain mods or upgrades?, and the code must be pass final approval b4 getting paid or paid in full by the core team, and this would seem like a better approach maybe?
i like the concept of have the bounties, where your money earmarked for a certain section, there must also be a COMPLETE feature set/list for each area so all the bases are covered the first time.
the proposed developer must be able to match exact coding standards for integration into the core, as well as outline the understanding of the score of the functionality and his proposed solution to functionalites... scalablity is the key, so if we mod 1 area than the code or sturture could be reused on other areas that match the same schema, so someone who has overall knoedge must be able to sigle handedly oversee it, more to come...
Hi Crackdaddy,
I agree with you. The VM team is the one best suited to control the funding for projects, assign and manage them. I also believe it would be only fair that VM gets whenever possible part of the resources. The core Team could act as contractor or develop the projects in house.
There is more to this and after writing for a while I decided to post it as a new thread (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=30314.0) for its beyond the scope of this one.
Hi all!
This is a great discussion. Here is some feedback from my point of view:
1. More participation in the VirtueMart project would be great.The core team consists of very few people. Help is greatly appreciated.
2. We have many offers to help, but very few who actually follow through or who take the initiative to get to know us and provide suggestions PLUS real work.There is a big difference between wanting a feature and actually implementing it. Also, there are may tasks that are, to some, less exciting, but are necessary: bug fixes, documentation, forum management, releases, etc. We have had offers for help, but very few who remain very long. Working on an open source project is difficult because for most of us, it is a side job or a hobby. Commitment is difficult to establish in such an environment. Also, we really need people who want to work with and support the project, and who, although needing guidance, do not need their hands held to get things done.
3. The code quality issues are a real concern.I've seen some really poor modifications and some really good modifications. For example, Joseph Kwan's "Bulk Order Status Update" is nice. I've asked him to write an integration for VirtueMart 1.1. Although it is nice to have a particular feature, the details of how the feature is implemented are also important. Many nice features are poorly implemented. Often hacks are made that work for a particular situation, but that do not generalize well.
4. The ideas about funding and resources are good to hear.These need work, but look promising.
5. Here are some general suggestions:
- If you are interested in helping the project, please join us in our weekly developer meetings (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=21084.0) on Wednesdays at 8:30 pm CET. I think you will find that we are open to improving the VirtueMart project and product. If enough people are interested in joining us, it would be nice if you PM'ed me an agenda item so that we can work through this in an organized way. By attending the developer meeting, you'd also get an idea of where VirtueMart is headed. This can help you understand why some things, although nice, are not implemented in the current version of VirtueMart.
- Look through the bug tracker, find a bug you can fix, and submit a patch to that task (if you did this well a few times, you would surely gain trust).
- Get to know the inner workings of VirtueMart. It's one thing to recognize that VirtueMart needs improvement, it's another thing to know enough about VirtueMart to actually implement those improvements (with good quality), or to suggest and implement a new architecture (that takes understanding of how things work so that your suggestions are trusted).
Greg
Hi Greg,
It is really Great to hear from you.
Some comments:
This is exactly what its is all about. The ideas are here ; now to make them a reality.
I've made my offer and I stand by it.
The first step is the Ok and support from the Vm team for a project support and financing system.
I'll be there next Wednesday on the meeting.
Joachim
PD: I'm no coder but. I can find a bug. ;)
Quote from: aravot on July 09, 2007, 20:17:08 PM
I am interested in;
Gift wrap option
Gift registry, there is one available (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=11726.0) but has some issues may someone could take over and make it better.
I have been trying to get a gift wrap mod done for the past 2 months. but no one has been too interested in it.
If anyone is interested in seeing the spec sheet I put together and quote me a price, send me a PM! I don't mind paying for the mod either alone or together with others and making it available for all to use.
Hi Myth,
There is a hack that may do this for you: extended attributes (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=28192.0)
Check it out,
Joachim
Hi Guys,
We got an answer. I'm going to assist to next weeks meeting and already send a request to include this topic in the meeting. I would like to know who is serious in participating join a team to implement this and also join the meeting.
We got some great ideas here and now we have the opportunity to propose a coherent model and how to implement it.
As the first step here is a summary the project:
Project Sumary
- Objective: To create a system the facilitates development of projects that satisfies specific needs of VM user groups and its financing.
- Overview: Users will propose a project and once approved a donation goal will be established and posted. Customers will be able to donate in part or in full for those features they are interested in. All Projects will be scaled at a donation ladder and those project with the most donations will attain a higher development priority. Once the donation goal is achieved the responsible team will send it to the developer team who will decide who will realize the project and a date for its release, and enter the development cycle.
- Conditions and limitations:Projects developed under this model have to comply with these conditions:
Developed under VM standards and codes.
The development will become available to the Virtue mart community as a whole for the benefit of all.
The feature will be integrated as part of virtuemart core or as a Joomla add on depending on its nature.
The project will be developed by the VM team or outsourced under the supervision of the team.
The project will be maintained and supported by the community
Resources:Technical: Module or component where projects can be posted, funds collected, and priorities set according to donations. Two are proposed: Virtuemart adapted for donations (as in csvimproved.com) or JoomLancers. Server where this will be installed and access to manage it.
Human: A person or a team to manage the system:
The skills needed for the project are:
General Joomla and component usage (depending on which one is chosen)
Graphic design.
Writing and summarizing skills.
General management skills.
Communication and organization skills
Financial: I don't see any particular financial requirements at this point. The resources required are available ans collaborative effort and under the GNU license.
Please let me know if something is missing, can be improved or any thoughts.
Joachim
Quote from: Joachim A on July 27, 2007, 15:57:45 PM
We got some great ideas here and now we have the opportunity to propose a coherent model and how to implement it.
I have followed this topic with interest.
Please clarify for me. Are you suggesting an organizational structure for the VirtueMart project itself? or, are you suggesting something additional? At the very least, your proposal suggests this:
QuoteThe project will be developed by the VM team or outsourced under the supervision of the team.
Perhaps this is suggesting something in addition to the regular work done by the VirtueMart development team.
Surfacing often among your ideas is the concept of greater participation by requesting, developing, and paying for specific projects/features. How does this concept relate to the main development of VirtueMart? The main development of VirtueMart, of course, includes implementing features like those you suggest; but, it also includes making bug fixes and security fixes, handling releases, and implementing things that we like because we like them. Most of your ideas seem to revolve around getting a new, needed feature added, often for money.
So, are you suggesting something in addition to the regular work of developing VirtueMart? If so, how can greater participation be encouraged in the regular development work too (not just specific new/better features)? To me, it would be ironic, if not paradoxical, to see a functioning structure for side projects, while the regular work continues with little assistance.
Also, although I agree that development for cash has its place, I feel strongly that voluntary development and participation is equally, if not more, important. Voluntary work is the life blood of an open source project. How do you suggest marrying the two concepts?
Greg
i would propose to restructure the way vm is handled, and not be at the mercy of 1 person to decide what happens to the core!!
Quote from: crackdaddy on July 27, 2007, 17:18:54 PM
i would propose to restructure the way vm is handled, and not be at the mercy of 1 person to decide what happens to the core!!
Do you mean restructure the VirtueMart project itself (i.e. the core team, etc)?
Also, by '1 person', do you mean the lead developer (and the small core team)? Currently as a small core team, we decide what happens to the core code, based on the our desires & resources, the community needs, and other provided feedback or help.
We are often discussing how to get help. (The perception may exist that the core team is unapproachable. We do not want that to be the case. If it is, it probably results from our limited resources.) We are a small team, and just need good, qualified, committed, sane/rational people to help. There are few who are willing to take the time to establish trust by helping in the regular project work. It is good to see the desires to participate voiced in this topic. Would it be helpful if I opened another topic to discuss participation more generally? I don't want to take over this nice topic.
Greg
Any takers for this issue http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=28759.msg88186#msg88186
Hi Greg,
Voluntary work and payment for projects: I don't see them as exclusive: On the contrary. It seems to me that People are more willing to contribute to get a specific request met. So why not provide a way so that those members of the community who have specific requests can get their funds together and get their feature done. This can also provide much needed resources for the VM project, including the regular fixes etc.
Let say peter is a webmaster for XX store with VM. His client is requesting an affiliate component ASAP. Right now as far as i can see there are two ways of getting it done. One request it to the teams and wait till its done or hire a developer to do it. Let say its really urgent and peter hires a developer and gets it done. Fine and dandy, peter has his component which will probably become obsolete with the next release and only his store benefits. Now if peter proposes the project within the VM project his specific request becomes development for the whole community. The way i see it its a win win situation. Peter and his customer get the component, VM get resources, and the community gets new and better features. There are several posts with great ideas and different points of views on this thread .
Summarizing I see it as a way to provide fresh resources for the VM project. Please note that when I talk about VM getting resources I'm talking about the project. Of course this invites a new question. How will these resources be allocated. This is a great topic for discussion but at least there are resources to discuss about.
QuoteMost of your ideas seem to revolve around getting a new, needed feature added, often for money.
Yes thats true. That is basically the topic of this thread: Modifications Joined forces. I think voluntary work is great and very commendable. But I also think that financial resources for the project open new doors and that there is nothing wrong that VM gets them. Additional financial resources can also be used to outsource some of the work. Some other ideas (not money realted) I posted in a separate
thread (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=30314.msg88502#msg88502).
From what you are saying I'm getting that there is need for more coders for Vm. I'm no coder so I would be of little use for that. From what I have seen in the forums there are many non coders willing to contribute to the community, including me. There are important contributions that can be made by many people according to their areas of expertise.
Joachim
Quote from: Joachim A on July 27, 2007, 18:01:51 PM
Let say peter is a webmaster for XX store with VM. His client is requesting an affiliate component ASAP. Right now as far as i can see there are two ways of getting it done. One request it to the teams and wait till its done or hire a developer to do it. Let say its really urgent and peter hires a developer and gets it done. Fine and dandy, peter has his component which will probably become obsolete with the next release and only his store benefits. Now if peter proposes the project within the VM project his specific request becomes development for the whole community. The way i see it its a win win situation. Peter and his customer get the component, VM get resources, and the community gets new and better features. There are several posts with great ideas and different points of views on this thread .
This is exactly my situation. I am willing to pay to have mods done, as I am not a coder and want to get the modification done sooner rather than later.
That being said, I would be happy to share the modifications made with others for their own and the community's benefit. Its a win-win at least from my viewpoint.
Hi Greg,
This really great. There is Action here. ;)
I think you are right. There is a perception of the core team not being approachable. I also understand the team is small and the community actually pretty big, and there are a lot of requests of all types. How can we take these conditions and adapt to a more participative project?
Please check the Organizational development post for a more general point of view.
http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=30314.msg88502#msg88502 (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=30314.msg88502#msg88502)
Joachim
Hi myth,
I have been in that situation too;
Actually I believe most Vm users would rather give the request and the funds to VM than anyone else.
Who is better suited?
For now, until a system is developed to support this, a good alternative maybe to hire a developer to get the request done (in or outside the VM team) and make the module available to the team for integration. ;)
Joachim
Quote from: Joachim A on July 27, 2007, 18:20:46 PM
I think you are right. There is a perception of the core team not being approachable. I also understand the team is small and the community actually pretty big, and there are a lot of requests of all types. How can we take these conditions and adapt to a more participative project?
I created a topic for discussing exactly this:
http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=30342
I chose to not just append to your well-worded post, Joachim, that you referred to. I'll admit that I wanted to frame the discussion in a particular way. I hope that is forgivable. With the creation of this new topic, I'll quit commenting off topic in this wonderful topic.
Greg
Hi Crackdaddy,
This topic relates specifically on how to create a stucture that facilitates feature development, its finacing etc.
and yes many related problems have surfaced here. It all interrelates and the way the project is organized right now does not make it easy to participate and implement solutions. In my opinion a more decentralized structure would help. There is a lot that can be improved and we got a good start here. I summarized this discussion and ideas along the thread. Please check it out. I think this is the good first step to make this idea a reality. From what I'm getting from Greg's posts the team is pretty much open to new ideas and suggestions.
Joachim
Off Topic: User crackdaddy has been banned - mainly because the words in his posts were offending. On the other hand he or she has seldom/never helped us in a way that would have helped the project.
ciao, Sören
Off topic too:
Hi Soeren. I have no connection with crackdaddy but I think this punishment is too hard. I know he sometimes is a little rude and has bad language but I guess he has done some good things to the community and as far as I can see it he knows how to program.
The way he behaves is just a statement. Have you ever heard of the rich jerk (internet marketeer)? He's acting the same way as crackdaddy but is one of the most succesfull internet marketeers. I think it's just an act and we have to accept this act and benefit from his contributions.
Danny
Hi Soeren,
I think Crackdaddy has been a valuable point of view to this Thread. His tone may not be diplomatic, but his observations and participation say to me that he cares about Virtuemart.
It would be really interesting if all this situation could be channeled into tangible solutions.
Joachim
I agree with Soeren's course of action on this.
Crackdaddy may have made contributions to this project and he may have a valuable point on this thread. However his manner and attitude to other users on this forum was very offensive. I think you would be hard pushed to find any decent forums that allowed that kind of post to be made without the poster being banned.
Permanent ban or for some time?
Quote from: aravot on July 09, 2007, 20:17:08 PM
I am interested in;
Gift wrap option
Gift registry, there is one available (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=11726.0) but has some issues may someone could take over and make it better.
Im in for the gift wrap option. I posted a similar post in the commercial thread here:
http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=30524.0
I think a permanent bank is too harsh, he has some valid points, but has a heck of a way of expressing himself. IMHO.
I have requested for stock notification hack / module, my budget is $50 I know is not enough but that is what I can offer for now, anyone interested in joining please post.
http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=30574.0
I'm sorry i agree with Soren about CrackDaddy in every way.
I'm a very opinionated kind of person, and usually say things very strong and in a way that may offend in real life. But the difference between standing in front of somebody in the heat of the moment and typing words into a keyboard is that you have the time to put some manners into things, and if you think you will offend have time to delete and reword it.
If you have a community, and one person is going to cause issues, and maybe cause people to leave that community due to offence or worry that they will be slated every time they post a comment, in the interest of the community, that person should be banned.
Another forum i used to use http://forum.computerarts.co.uk used to be thriving and massive, put a question on and within Min's it was answered by people who knew what they were talking about.
Now after only 2 people started shouting their mouths off and just not being pro at all, it is dead, everybody has moved to another forum. So the community as a whole was affected, never mind the site owners who make a living from this, which Soren is in that situation of course.
Too bad about the banning of crackdaddy although it wasn't really a surprise. He had some very good points in this thread but I guess that calling people "retards" doesn't put you on top of the respect ladder so to speak...
I do think that banning is a bit hard and would personally rather have seen him warned but on the other hand, something tells me that this has already been done...
Well, back to the issue.
I was afraid that this thread would quickly be forgotten and buried in some deep forum archive but I'm happy to see that this is not the case!
There have been many very interesting thoughts about this subject and I'd really like to see this implemented in some way!
One thing that has puzzled me is that why there are sooooo many good hacks and mods out there that, in my opinion, should be included in the core but hasn't yet?
To name a few:
Excel CSV Upload hack.
Edit order feature.
Custom Attributes Extended.
Invoice/Receipt/Delivery Addon.
Update order status in bulk.
Product enquiry mod.
etc.
These are modifications that I believe MANY users have implemented and then another security update is released and there goes the weekend again implementing those hacks all over again. What would be the problem implementing hacks that doesn't alter the already included functions but merely extends them with more functions? The Excel file upload hack doesn't take away the option to still use a CSV file as source? Basically, I'm talking about the mods and hacks that extends the functionality, not replacing them. I guess those would be easier to deal with?
I'd like to clarify that this is really not criticism. Just curious why this doesn't happen?
My point is that if those features would be implemented once they are stable, the developers could spend their time on new features instead of helping users update the hacks to work in the latest release? The threads for some of the most widely used hacks contains a LOT of pages that concerns new VM releases and getting the hack to work with the current release. There must be thousands of hours put in to those threads just dealing with the updates?
This is most probably a question that have been asked before and I'm guessing that this is a time issue or maybe I have overlooked any issues with this approach?
As far as I know, the core dev team consists of a small group of devoted people doing their best to keep up the pace and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that more features equals more time needed which would result in more team members needed. Virtuemart is a really good shopping cart and I believe that it is in every users interest to keep it this way. Because I'm no skilled coder, my contribution would be at least partially finance interesting development projects.
Time for lunch!
:P
/..EyeScream
Hi all,
Tomorrow Wednesday is the IRC meeting and it would be great to see you guys there.
VM is not a paid project but is a community.
From what I'm getting the team as it stands right now is too small to handle all the work.
To be honest I am surprised that the team finds the time to to do all that they do.
There is a lot that can be done and contributed even if you are not a coder. Just bring along your talents and thats a great start.
Last week's meeting touched important points about reorganization and participation.
I'm aware that we all have time constraints, but with more participation we as a community will also all benefit.
But for this to happen help offers and words have to become action. A good place to start is attending the IRC meetings. If enough people show up tomorrow we could as well start integrating some teams.
To join the iRC is very easy with a IMC and if you don't have one or it does not support freenode You can use pidgin (http://pidgin.im/pidgin/home/). Pidgin also supports google, yaho , ICQ etc and Its for free.
Here is the information you'll need to join (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=21084.0):
.
Joachim
hello,
first off...
i said what i said here, because my comments were moved by a moderator and were made into its own thread(without a notification to me of doing so that they have been moved and turned into its own thread) if i had want to make a random thread with a comment relevant to another thread i would have done that in the first place,so... i was pissed off for 2 reasons.
people here dont have to like me or agree with me...
i call it like i see it, if you make a retarded comment i say so, and i usually have a valid answer to go wtih it.. but none the less if you dont agree thats cool, everyone has the right to say what they think. now if me referring to someones idea as retarded offends you, i appoligize, and add to it : get over it!!! if i call you ugly would you also be offended? its my opinion ...what is pretty or ugly.. much like retarded or smart... is ones opinion...nothing more...dont be so thin skinned as take it soooo personal.
with that out of the way...
Quote from: Soeren on August 01, 2007, 09:42:54 AM
Off Topic: User crackdaddy has been banned - mainly because the words in his posts were offending. On the other hand he or she has seldom/never helped us in a way that would have helped the project.
ciao, Sören
My seldom and Never helping code will likely be put on hold as i highly doubt you have any capicity of desire to improve the core code...
I have 2 areas completely recoded to be db driven
A)product options,
-very similar to the extended options someone built, but mine has its own db tables making it more scable and robust
B)product images
-are now handled in their own db tables and allows for 3 sizes per product, multi image flash uploader, ability to assign the same image to more than 1 product
as the other posted has mentioned...there are many great mods that have not been implemented into the core...and you make it clear you have no desire to do thing the way they should be done...
i will most likely release my own cart, with all the mods as a fork to this project so we all can benefit and move forward....
"never helped us in a way that would have helped the project"
..and you say my comments are offending..check yourself you lil black tea kettle
... lol... thats "retarded"
i guess completely redesigning 2 major core areas to function correctly wasnt enough for you...
peace out... thedaddy
WHAT HAPPENED???
No movement in over a month, and this thing looked too good to be true. :(
What happened to everybody?
I don't know but haven't been on the board for a while
Just to resurrect this, I am willing to conribute up to
$150 for an admin order entry modification. I need
1. Back end order entry
2. Non-mandatory email (or single email) for admin only
3. Ability to enter/vary pricing
$75 for an Order printing modification
1. Ability to print a range of orders by order number
$50 for label printing modificatiion
1. To print a range of labels on Avery J8163 A4 labels.
2. Label to be bold, and include Product SKU/quantity in small print at bottom of label
John
Quote from: John - Australia on September 13, 2007, 01:36:30 AM
I don't know but haven't been on the board for a while
Just to resurrect this, I am willing to conribute up to
$150 for an admin order entry modification. I need
1. Back end order entry
2. Non-mandatory email (or single email) for admin only
3. Ability to enter/vary pricing
John
For manual entry see http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=28283.0
this idea seems too good to abandon but the discussion is becoming tedious to read (no offence, but it's just long and goes all over the place).
i would also pitch in for some mods - a proper wish list for customers is high on my wish list for instance :)
would it be possible to make a sticky here containing :
a list of what people would like
plus who would be willing to donate what for each?
if that were there & updated, you wouldn't need to plough through the whole discussion and who knows, someone might offer to actually make one of these mods/extensions?
i'm thinking a list at the top and whoever wants to discuss can go read all the messages... the only thing is someone would have to do the updating, but it seems to me that australian john offered to coordinate?
ps if you do make a list like that, include me in for a customers' wish list...
HI
very happy to co-ordinate this. Perhaps we can get some feedback on projects, and from those who can create the mods
John
Quote from: aravot on July 09, 2007, 20:17:08 PM
I am interested in;
Gift wrap option
Gift registry, there is one available (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=71&topic=11726.0) but has some issues may someone could take over and make it better.
I have a package of this that has some of the issues resolved, but many people need this working and it will take an experienced Mambo/Joomla programmer to get some things right. If it comes to having two or three of us work on it and split some donations in order to get it done, I am willing to look in that direction.
If any of you are interested in viewing the code, I will post it immediately following this message.
Current code attached (based on the Gift Registry package by Lumis - with offending DROP user_info code removed).
If anyone would like to peruse the code and determine what it will take (ie Cost) to get this running, please let me know. Many people seem interested in this Mod, (including me of course ;) ) and have clients waiting for it, so what can we do to make dreams come true? :P
Here is the code:
[attachment cleanup by admin]
I am looking for a discount mod. I have searched high and low and left posts but to no avail. I sell T-shirts and stickers. I would like to be able to offer buy any two shirts get 15% discount, buy any three get 20% discount. Not buy 1 shirt and 2 stickers to get a 20% discount. A different discount scheme for different items. Many other users are searching for something similar to this also. Let me know the cost please.
Kevin
HI EVERYBODY,
I have debugged the gift registry component and module.Please contact me at
infobaysolutions@yahoo.com
sandip_pilake@yahoo.co.in
nikhil@cybizz.biz
skype: sandip_pilake (Sandy)
canwillweb (Nik)
YIM : infobaysolutions (Nik)
:sandip_pilake (Sandy)
We shall show you working demo in a couple of days
Regards
Sandy
Any updates?
I see this thread is loosing it´s initial strenth, I can only say one thing:
Don`t let this thread die!
It takes lots of work and a very compromised person or group to make something like this go on.
I have used this thread idea long time ago to acomplish the founding of the "VM affiliates" THAT'S WHY I KNOW IT CAN WORK.
It took several month, sometimes you just don´t feel like it´s going to happen.
But you kep going.....
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Excellent idea Eyescream!
It would be great if we were posting the job requests and then getting others to commit.
Hmmm, maybe Seoren would be for creating a conduit where the developers here take a small percentage to act as the intermediary and to further support Virtuemart, while the rest of the money goes to the developer once the project (job request) is completed.
Some terrible good ideas in this topic.
Maybe this can be get some more attention, if this get's some more attention at example here (http://virtuemart.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135&Itemid=85)
and/or get's an official status, this might really get some more sponsoring/funds which would pay out in results for everybody.
But as long this stays in unofficial attempts instead of a serious trustworthy system (doesn't matter the details), people loose interest and/or trust and there for will not attent.
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A interactive list of requests/projects with demands and a donation / prepayment method for starters....
Or did I miss any info.... then some more official attention might increase interest?
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