Ah you know, I think I finally understood your first post. You were probably looking at my site (ruggedradios) and noticing when you clicked on a category with subs that it did not load that category... it only showed the sub cats dropdown. For the record, that is custom for that particular template. If sure you figured it out by playing with it, that it does shows the category page by clicking on, even with sub cats, and yes, if always show subs is checked, then the menu always shows subs. So the mod should be good for you yes?