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Title: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: dgm001 on October 07, 2009, 23:36:20 pm
Does anyone know how to set this up. I am redirected to, see 1st.jpg attached
and I would like to be sent directly to 2nd.jpg attached.
This is paypal standard

Thanks in advance.

(http://1st.jpg)
(http://2nd.jpg)

OK, I understand how it works now, PayPal uses a cookie to check if you have an account with them. If you have an account you get 1st.jpg page if you do not you get 2nd.jpg page.

Is there a way to send the command to continue to the credit card page?


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Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: ihoii on October 16, 2009, 06:54:09 am
Hi,

I am also looking for the same Option,

Have you found anything? please let me know
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: dgm001 on November 23, 2009, 20:49:59 pm
I am thinking that if the continue page is open in a wrapper then the continue can be activated to send the customer directly to the 2nd page.
I do not know enough yet to solve this. But if I figure it out I will let everyone know.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: undersun on November 28, 2009, 23:21:42 pm
I am thinking that if the continue page is open in a wrapper then the continue can be activated to send the customer directly to the 2nd page.
I do not know enough yet to solve this. But if I figure it out I will let everyone know.

Any action on this yet?  I need a module for Paypal standard or Paypal express...
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: Duggie on December 01, 2009, 10:00:35 am
Another on the wish list.  I don't think it will be possible.  PayPal advertising themselves and most likely want you to go to Paypal Payments Pro so this "hard to find credit card link" for credit cards disappears.  Pro has a monthly fee of course. *sighs*
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: David Glines on December 04, 2009, 05:46:28 am
Hey gang. Been a long time since I've posted on VM. Anyway, I'm running into this same problem here. Is it really related to the paypal cookie?

I tried putting through an order after clearing my cookies and I still was taken to page 1 (without the ability to enter credit card immediately) instead of page 2 (credit card info and paypal login). I want to take them to page 2 directly.

Seems like there are websites out there that are able to do this, and I don't think they're the paypal "pro" version. Maybe I'm wrong...

dg
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: rvbgnu on December 09, 2009, 02:52:29 am
Hi,

I think you can change a setting in your PayPal business account:
PayPal Acount > Profile > Selling Preferences > Website Payment Preferences > PayPal Account Optional = ON
you will have the credit card input fields
On OFF, you will have the PayPAl account and the option to go to the credit card page.

Hope it helps.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: dcheng1204 on December 09, 2009, 23:52:46 pm
I have PayPal account optional turned on (it default to "on" on my account), but it still goes to the first jpg page.  I have the PayPal Premier account.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: volksman3 on December 11, 2009, 14:23:56 pm
Would be great if there was a way to divert to the second paypal credit card page as i am finding that allot of customers are missing the small text on the left for credit cards and making the assumption that you have to have a paypal account to use the store. If anyone finds an answer to this it would be very useful and also happy to pay for a solution as this effects allot of my customers stores.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: rvbgnu on December 14, 2009, 14:15:25 pm
Hi volksman3 and all,

Well thanks for the offer ;) If your are still in trouble, I will be delighted to help you now, or in the future (see my profile).

Honestly it is not a big problem with the details you mentioned. As we are part of the Free Software community, sharing matters! And "selling" this kind of advice is not part of my ethic.

You should make your tests on a "clean" browser, different that the one you use for your day to day work (you can even have a fresh install of a system with Virtualbox.org, so you browse like the vast majority of the people, no tweaks and geeks' stuff on it!)
 
OR, at least, you should delete your cache AND the PayPal cookies (you probably log on to your business account right?), and then make your test.

If you do not have a result like the attached picture, then you should provide more details, and an URL where it happened so I will have a look.

All the Best,
Hervé
 


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Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: hotelathome on January 13, 2010, 08:57:43 am
I am sure it has to do with the paypal configuration. Once, I was trying a fix for paypal and tax and found some changes made to the paypal configuration. It didnt work for me, but it did take me to the second paypal "window" where the customer was given the option of credit card or paypal login.
It was long ago and I do not know where I got the paypal config fix from.
I am sure it has to do with the URL in the paypal config.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: hhtmp88 on January 14, 2010, 10:04:12 am
Hi,

I think you can change a setting in your PayPal business account:
PayPal Acount > Profile > Selling Preferences > Website Payment Preferences > PayPal Account Optional = ON
you will have the credit card input fields
On OFF, you will have the PayPAl account and the option to go to the credit card page.

Hope it helps.
Hi!

"PayPal Account Optional = ON" is an default option in my business paypal account!
-> so, what additional things have you done, to make it go to credit page directly?

Thanks for any kind of help!
Rgds,
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: rvbgnu on January 27, 2010, 20:37:01 pm
"PayPal Account Optional = ON" is an default option in my business paypal account!
-> so, what additional things have you done, to make it go to credit page directly?
Hi,

There is no additional things done on my side. I have test it again on a clean browser, I still have the credit card PayPal page. Have you tested with a "clean" browser?

I have another settings I used before to use with Moodle. But in our case, it should not change anything:
Paypal My Account > Profile > Selling Preferences > Language encoding > More Options set to UTF-8 both cases.

Regards,
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: corbincdc on February 12, 2010, 23:33:08 pm
I AM also having this problem.  HAS this been Resolved? PLEASE help.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: dnguyen714 on February 21, 2010, 00:11:29 am
Can anyone please help with this?
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: bladerz on March 20, 2010, 00:07:55 am
Checked the Paypal configuration, but couldn't find a solution for this.
Anyone to help? Please.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: rvbgnu on March 30, 2010, 17:08:24 pm
Hi guys,
It would be nice for all the community if the previous authors could tell us if they are still having the same problem or not. It will help us to confirm the problem or its "not satisfactory" solution  :-[

But I think that this is not a real issue, because it is not possible to control which page PayPal will display in someone else browser. It depends on the presence of PayPal's cookies or not, and another website, whatever the settings are, can not change that on someone else browser, except PayPal itself.

Note: we are talking about PayPal "Website Payment Standard", not "express checkout", with a Premium or Business account (not a personal account), and using the VirtueMart PayPal included module (not Pro or a third party extension) with HTML form, not a API.

It is not perfect as we would like it to be, but we should accept it. There is other payment solutions out there, so if this is an serious issue for you, you can have several payment method in VM: PayPal for people with a PayPal account, and AnotherProvider for credit card. What do you think?

Thank you to share your experience and your tips and tweaks!
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: hhtmp88 on March 31, 2010, 15:21:14 pm
Hi guys,
It would be nice for all the community if the previous authors could tell us if they are still having the same problem or not. It will help us to confirm the problem or its "not satisfactory" solution  :-[

But I think that this is not a real issue, because it is not possible to control which page PayPal will display in someone else browser. It depends on the presence of PayPal's cookies or not, and another website, whatever the settings are, can not change that on someone else browser, except PayPal itself.

Note: we are talking about PayPal "Website Payment Standard", not "express checkout", with a Premium or Business account (not a personal account), and using the VirtueMart PayPal included module (not Pro or a third party extension) with HTML form, not a API.

It is not perfect as we would like it to be, but we should accept it. There is other payment solutions out there, so if this is an serious issue for you, you can have several payment method in VM: PayPal for people with a PayPal account, and AnotherProvider for credit card. What do you think?

Thank you to share your experience and your tips and tweaks!

Do you mean:
using express checkout with a Premium or Business account
+ VirtueMart PayPal Payment Pro with API

can give want we are talking about so long?

Rgds,
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: stinga on March 31, 2010, 16:28:10 pm
G'day,

As an FYI...
I don't think it uses a cookie, I think it uses the email address you send to PP.
(I could be wrong though!)
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: McMasters on June 14, 2010, 17:55:51 pm
Don't I feel stupid...
I spent hours searching for solution to the paypal "account optional" page settings not working.....

ONLY TO FIND that paypal was reading my "faux tester account" email address WHICH IS An Email address I registered with PayPal years ago.

I changed my tester account email address to something fake and I was greeted at PayPal with the correct account optional page upon checkout (credit card info on left --- sign in on right)

Man I wasted tons of time.

Make sure your faux test account's email address was never registered with PayPal.. DOUGH!!! ::)

MAYBE MARKED AS USER ERROR AND SOLVED??

Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: augr on June 21, 2010, 06:47:37 am
Very easy fix on this guys. Just remove this line from your paypal config:

"email" => $dbbt->f('user_email'),

When you remove this line, paypal will ALWAYS return the credit card AND login page. It just won't pre-populate the email address..... It does that as a convenience for existing paypal users but for people that forgot they have a paypal account or don't want to use it, it's not a very intuitive way to process the payment. Remove the line above from your config will resolve this intentional way paypal handles the form.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: hhtmp88 on June 23, 2010, 11:27:46 am
Very easy fix on this guys. Just remove this line from your paypal config:

"email" => $dbbt->f('user_email'),

When you remove this line, paypal will ALWAYS return the credit card AND login page. It just won't pre-populate the email address..... It does that as a convenience for existing paypal users but for people that forgot they have a paypal account or don't want to use it, it's not a very intuitive way to process the payment. Remove the line above from your config will resolve this intentional way paypal handles the form.
How to test if this method works?
-> In Google Chrome, it DOES WORK!
-> but, in IE7 & Firefox3.5.9, it does NOT work!

In addition, what is the "email" refer to?
-> when I use IE7, the email shown in the paypal page is "abc1@abc.com"
-> when I use FF3.5.9, the email shown becomes "def2@def.com"

Thanks for any further help!
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: augr on June 24, 2010, 06:25:53 am
'user_email' refers to exactly that. The user's email address i.e. the shopper. If you DO NOT pass this to paypal (i.e. remove the line from your config), paypal will detect that this is a new user thus presenting all options. I tested in all browsers and it works fine for me.... am I misunderstanding the question/issue? I'm assuming you want the credit card form to appear along with the paypal login form correct? removing that line should correct the problem.... well it does for me anyway  :)
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: bossies on July 02, 2010, 10:13:52 am
thanks will have a go at it and report back
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: hhtmp88 on August 01, 2010, 18:55:49 pm
New Paypal design seem resolved the problem!
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: nickelmusic on August 07, 2010, 00:56:54 am
This looks hopeful, but I must confess I don't know where the Paypal config is that you are describing.  You aren't talking about the button code on the sending website, right?  Is it in the receiving Paypal account somewhere?  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: nickelmusic on August 07, 2010, 01:17:59 am
I think this issue is NOT resolved.  I still have clients who complain to me about this (just had another one), and there's nothing that can be done.  It's a cookie thing, according to lots of sites, including Paypal.  I haven't found yet how long the login cookie lasts, but if it exists on the browser that the customer is using, it will not show the credit card on the left column page, but rather the other one with the small link that is hard to find.  Argh!  It looks like the only way to get around this is to go with Paypal Pro and take the credit card info on the customer's own site, raising a whole lot more issues with SSL and compliance, etc.  Very frustrating.
Title: Re: Tweaking to redirect to the paypal credit card page.....
Post by: hhtmp88 on August 08, 2010, 03:21:16 am
New Paypal design is something like the attached screen capture, and it looks good!

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