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Title: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on June 21, 2008, 10:31:37 am
How do i hide prices and still use chart, i have read abaut this problem and find a couple solutions but for older versions i have VirtueMart 1.1.0 stable and i dont know how to do this,, can someone help me? ???
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: marianaf on August 13, 2008, 15:08:26 pm
Hello dac3d!

I really need the same solution, have you found an answer for that?

thank you..

Mariana
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: akerman on August 15, 2008, 13:48:34 pm
How about hiding all the products and still have customers?  ;)

I'm just joking, sorry.... But you have to elaborate this with some more details like;

what versions, system, what's the goal when fully implemented.. and so forth.

Otherwise it's likely most experienced VM users will refrain from answer. Because they don't understand the question.


Regards
Akerman
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on August 19, 2008, 10:03:40 am
Ok, Joomla is 1.5.0 and VM is 1.1.2 stable
I need to remove prices and to have chart funkcionality or;  be able to put things in chart without seeing any price ,, when order is send then the shoper is sending  invoice depending what customer is buying- because of complicated price system in shop owner

was that you need to know?
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: Partic on August 19, 2008, 10:11:05 am
So at the end of the ordering process, the user won't see a price at all? It will basically be an order form completed, and the prices will be calculated by the shop owner?

Other sites I've ended up doing this with a form that just fills out an order form template.

But if the prices aren't going to be online, and the shopper will be paying on invoice, then you could have everything in the system with a zero price and from there remove all the aspects for where the price will be displayed in various templates:
- edit flypages and browse pages
- edit your cart template
- change your shop email templates
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on August 19, 2008, 10:45:00 am
I have managed to "hide" and camuflaged but it isn t a quality  solution here are pictures how it looks like :



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Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: akerman on August 19, 2008, 15:57:01 pm
First, the suggested solutions above are valid.
 - You can either hide price name and set everything to 0. However you need to create/change
   the checkout process considerably. And how orders are processed in the backend.
   Plus hundreds of little bits and pieces in VM.

 - You can decide to use VM as a catalogue only. (Settings already there in backend).
   This gives product listings with no price and makes it possible for the customer to ask
   for price via a separate function from within the product details page.


Personally I would go with the second solution, if you are set to use VM for this purpose.
Why? Simply because a couple of reasons:

- When is the deal really considered to be closed?
   The legal perspective is important and according to most countries the deal you suggests
   with payment with invoice, before customer has had a possibility to contemplate a price
   is very much in the grey zone, if you catch my drift.

 - This type of deal is commonly known as RFI/RFO (Request for Information / Offering).

   And is mostly used in the area of services or complicated deals (read big business).
   The appropriate steps in your case should then be:
    1. Customer asks for Info/Offer.
    2. You send the customer Info/Offer with prices, Terms & Conditions
    3. If, but only if, customer agrees to the offer, you both sign off.
         - Meaning he/she sends you a confirmation
         - Meaning you send the invoice or invoice and merchandise.
             (Here you can wait for payment before sending merchandise.
              Be sure to mention how you do this in Terms & Conditions)

    4. Confirm payment to customer via receipt or acceptance of payment.


Weak business deal for both you and customer.

Sending an invoice before any agreement on pricing, even if customer choose to click
some nice images on the Internet, all falls into the category of not so normal business.
Because that clicking and reading of Terms & Conditions on the last checkout page falls flat to the ground if the customer decides to back out of the deal. Because he can give a very valid reasons not to complete the transaction.

(You notice I refrain from saying illegal? Well, I'm close...)...but please understand this correctly from a business perspective:
 - What rules and regulations governs your business and your presumptive buyers?
 - What does tax authorities need to see? An how is your accounting going to look like? These are the first questions that has to be answered, before performing any practical work.


I really hope you go with the catalogue function in VM. I think both you and your customers would be satisfied with that arrangement.


Best regards & whises
Akerman 

 
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on August 20, 2008, 10:52:51 am
It is as you sad
 RFI/RFO (Request for Information / Offering)

it is specific company who wants this type of payment because of complicated deals, because they have many customers with complicated discounts and it is easier to let them by themselfs create bill/ofer,  they only want to be able buy online stuff  in quantity and   as you mentioned before and i must  change hundreds of little bits and pieces in VM. im on half way and im stuck a little bit because i need word of expert or a headword what to look for :)
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on September 13, 2008, 11:29:18 am
well marianaf  seems to me that no one wants to help us exept to teach us etics of buisness  or asking too many questions why do you want to hide all the prices,

someone should realy work this theme because there are many people who wants this option to work!
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: akerman on September 14, 2008, 12:53:30 pm
Hi,
My take on this was not to 'teach' you business ethics. I just tried to give you different possible approaches to the problem you stated initially.

I am by no means an authority in VM, nor in business conduct. However I have many years professional experience in sales and business, and just felt that it was appropriate to share the possible solutions there are in your case.


Please understand that:

1. Asking questions is a normal step-by-step procedure in any forum, since seldom one really has a direct simple answer to the initial question.
2. No one is trying to use knowledge to be superior. We're sharing info here in order to grow together. Your knowledge is worth the same as anyone else's.
3. The removal of price in a cart/shop somewhat defeats the idea of the cart/shop, hence the curiosity of that approach. That probably leads some people engaged in VM to wonder, if you made the right choice of system for your business.

So, in short: We all help in here, when we can, and if we have the knowledge. And if we don't... well, then we stay quiet.  ;) 


Sorry if my replies were of no aid.   

Regards
Akerman
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: PromoNet on September 25, 2008, 16:24:20 pm
Ok.  I think what this guy is trying to do is exactally what I need to do.

Basically we both need to use the system as an enquiry cart.  The products are to be added to the cart and once the customer has filled his cart he can then proceed to "checkout" or in other words just sent the enquiry to the supplier.

Currently with the "send enquiry" function on each individual page the customer has to send each enquiry seperatly.

For my website I have numerous different items that are sold in bulk mainly. Each of these bulk products can vary largley from time to time so a general price guide is given on the product information page but then the final price needs to be added to a seperate order system that has no links to virtue mart.

I'm desperately trying to find this function.  To start off I think I am going to have to just go with the 0 price and then alter the pages accordingly.  at least until I can either sort this myself through the help of the forums or through an external developer.
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on September 26, 2008, 07:10:02 am
Hold on,, im almolst done with this-- ill write everything just give me couple of days,,,,,,..
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on October 01, 2008, 14:42:14 pm
Ok lets begin with browse page, to remove price i removed from file administrator/components/com_virtuemart/html/shop.browse.php line 439 $products[$i]['product_price'] = $product_price; just delete it.
My recomendation is to open next files in dreamweaver    all files in    components/com_virtuemart/themes/yourtheme/templates   
and there you will see in tables what string is showing a price , sku , or quantity and then just delete it     
like on picture down

im open for all questions and HELP

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Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: PromoNet on October 01, 2008, 17:11:01 pm
Cool thanks :)  Got it now!

I'm not far off finishing now, once its all done I will write up a tutorial :)
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: monkeygirl on January 27, 2009, 17:19:47 pm
im open for all questions and HELP

Did you get your site to work as an online catalogue with ordering but no prices?

Have client who wants the same thing, wholesale customers with loads of different price scales, wants online ordering system but to invoice from head office manually.

Can i see your site live at all? Is it really as simple as editing the bits you mention?

any help/advice appreciated! : )
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: klutzon on January 27, 2009, 17:50:15 pm
I'm in the middle of doing this myself: designing a quotation system for the client so people can add products to a "cart" and going through the check out process (minus payment) so instead of placing an order, it'll be a "Request for Quotation" on all those products.

They would also like to sell some of the products, so at the moment the best solution I can think of is to create another sub site with another copy of VirtueMart, but this time with the original order system in place.

If there's a way to set up a single website that will allow your customer to pay for some products and request for quotations on the others (in batch instead of individually, like the "Call for pricing" feature currently uses), that would be most ideal. If you've figured it out, please share the love. :)
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on January 28, 2009, 07:54:43 am
to monkeygirl:
Easy as that ,,,, try it yourself if you cant do it,, if not ill give you step by step
chears!
to klutzon:
thats intresting but 2 advance for me at the moment ,, dont have time to look into it
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: monkeygirl on January 28, 2009, 11:11:10 am
thanks! will give it go : )!
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: klutzon on January 28, 2009, 13:53:36 pm
im open for all questions and HELP
Did you get your site to work as an online catalogue with ordering but no prices?
Have client who wants the same thing, wholesale customers with loads of different price scales, wants online ordering system but to invoice from head office manually.
Can i see your site live at all? Is it really as simple as editing the bits you mention?
any help/advice appreciated! : )

Hey monkeygirl,

I've not yet started on my own quotation system, but basically what you're going to do in order to get this quotation system working is removing any reference of price from the front end. In the back end, you've still got the prices for each product, and when the order comes in you will see all the prices, but on the front end, all reference to price is hidden, which basically makes it look like you're adding all these items to the cart to ask how much they cost, and the email they will get once they go through the checkout process will be the order details page but with no prices on it. When the order comes in in the back end, you make sure all the prices for everything the customer ordered are okay and up to date, and then you click the "Update Status" button and make sure the checkbox for "Notify customer?" is ticked. The email that they will get once you've done that will be the same as the order details email they first got, but this time with all the prices displayed.

I take it this is what you'd like to do? :)

I will share the files I'll modify with you when I'm done, if you've not managed by the time I do that. :D
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: klutzon on January 28, 2009, 13:56:34 pm
im open for all questions and HELP
Did you get your site to work as an online catalogue with ordering but no prices?
Have client who wants the same thing, wholesale customers with loads of different price scales, wants online ordering system but to invoice from head office manually.
Can i see your site live at all? Is it really as simple as editing the bits you mention?
any help/advice appreciated! : )

Hey monkeygirl,

I've not yet started on my own quotation system, but basically what you're going to do in order to get this quotation system working is removing any reference of price from the front end. In the back end, you've still got the prices for each product, and when the order comes in you will see all the prices, but on the front end, all reference to price is hidden, which basically makes it look like you're adding all these items to the cart to ask how much they cost, and the email they will get once they go through the checkout process will be the order details page but with no prices on it. When the order comes in in the back end, you make sure all the prices for everything the customer ordered are okay and up to date, and then you click the "Update Status" button and make sure the checkbox for "Notify customer?" is ticked. The email that they will get once you've done that will be the same as the order details email they first got, but this time with all the prices displayed.

I take it this is what you'd like to do? :)

I will share the files I'll modify with you when I'm done, if you've not managed by the time I do that. :D
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: lucato on May 11, 2009, 17:44:41 pm
Hey folks, I'm needing this option to hide prices and still use the cart. Is there any way to do it.

I'm not selling any stuff at my site and I don't want to use as catalog because I want to use another modules that needs the chart and so on. Besides that I'm doing a lot of adjustments. Before removing manually each code that shows price at cart, order, ship, everywhere, I wonder if it is possible to hack it to check the checkbox "Show prices", but keep the "Add to cart" button working. How to code it?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on May 11, 2009, 20:35:46 pm
  checkbox?  thats 2 advanced 4 me ???
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: lucato on May 12, 2009, 01:02:50 am
Hey Dac3D, when I mentioned checkbox I was referring to keep unchecked the checkbox "[ x ] Show Prices", which is located at admin/Configuration/Price Configuration section and get to have the "Add to cart" button showingthrough some hack, because nowadays if we leace unchecked the "[ x ] Show Prices", it doesn't show the "Add to cart" button. So, I'm needing this "hack" option to hide prices and still use the cart button. That is why I'm asking if:

- Is there any way to do it?
- How to code it?

;0)
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on May 12, 2009, 07:53:22 am
ok, open administrator/components/com_virtuemart/html/shop.browse.php and remove line 439 $products[$i]['product_price'] = $product_price, that will remove price from your browse page, and next, open components/com_virtuemart/themes/yourtheme/templates   , there you have next folders: basket, browse, checkout, common, order_emails, pages, product_details,,,  in every folder you must open and modify all files ,,, where you have line " <?php echo $product_price ?> " you must remove it, and then virtuemart will work normaly but it will not show prices.

when you do that, check every time if you didnt delete something wrong test and backup every time! :D
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: panosjules on May 15, 2009, 16:22:30 pm
Anyone actually achieved that? I have tried all of these and the prices are only hidden when i browse a product. If i add it to the cart then the price is shown. Any help appreciated...!!!
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: dac3d on May 20, 2009, 12:51:57 pm
on what page exactly?
can you give link from site?
Title: Re: How do i hide prices and still use chart
Post by: artanni on October 14, 2009, 10:46:39 am
Hi,
I'm agree that a quotation system on virtuemart is important for some of us.
But I disagree to delete the $product_price as dac3d suggested, as it will break the idea behind the shopper group and its list price feature on virtuemart. I mean if you have - let's say 2 shopper groups. One shopper group will have to see the actual price by default and the other have to quote the price for the products. If you deleted the $product_price it will affecting all shopper groups as they cannot see the price.

I prefer different approach, refer to this post :

http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=19978.msg151096#msg151096

You see it doesn't deleted the product price but somewhat change how the product price will be displayed.
I myself still working about this on my test site, maybe you can check it here. (http://www.jagadlab.com)