Hello
I wonder, is it possible to arrange products list template in VM backend so that child products are always shown below parent product?
So whenever products are reordered, child products are always below parent product:
Product 1 (Parent)
L Product 1b (child)
L Product 1c (child)
L Product 1c (child)
Product 2
Product 3
With this approach I could also eliminate need for "Products is children of" and "Product has children" columns.
Atm childrens are all over the place and we all know that we need to keep an eye on our children :D
Hints? Modules? Plugins?
Thanks
Regards
PS I tried to upload 45 kb screenshot of what I'd like but I got this message: The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator.
Quote from: Krx on December 23, 2016, 14:18:32 PM
Hello
I wonder, is it possible to arrange products list template in VM backend so that child products are always shown below parent product?
So whenever products are reordered, child products are always below parent product:
Product 1 (Parent)
L Product 1b (child)
L Product 1c (child)
L Product 1c (child)
Product 2
Product 3
With this approach I could also eliminate need for "Products is children of" and "Product has children" columns.
Atm childrens are all over the place and we all know that we need to keep an eye on our children :D
In my tools (vm be pro) i use parent/child product tree, but this is selectable, because if you search by name for eg. this can give strange results, so search only work for parent if you enabled tree in my tool.
Its not so simple(or can be very slow) to display a tree that have search/filter possibility. In my case i had do some compromise to not slow down the search result(my tool permit to render 1000 virtuemart products)
Quote from: Krx on December 23, 2016, 14:18:32 PM
PS I tried to upload 45 kb screenshot of what I'd like but I got this message: The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator.
I think it's because you have statut "beginer" in the forum, you need to post mroe then 100 times(i think) to send files.
Hello
Thanks for the input.
I already purchased something similar:
https://holest.com/index.php/holest-outsourcing/joomla-wordpress/virtuemart-excel-like-product-manager.html
But your component seems packed with more features and has nicer UI.
Do you by any chance have demo version for localhost only which expires in day or two?
Your components looks very nice but Id like to test it in my environment :)
I purchased several add-ons for VM last week and some of them doesn't work as I expected,
some have trouble with my setup, some have js problems etc.
All looked good in videos and screenshots but nothing beats real testing.
Sorry Krx, i only provide test release for my own customers shops.
My tool Vm Be Pro is used in more then 200 shops(perhaps 300 now), so i think, it should not give you some problem.
In all case if someone report me a problem, i fix it the same day(if i'm not on vacation), but i only had to fix the code 2 or 3 times, in more then 1 year and i add new feature all months(last week for eg. added quick image description editing)
If you really have technical issue, you can write me by email and i refund it, if we cannot solve your problem.
Of course, any tool have some limit, but i think, you don't loose your money, because in some minutes, you can do some work needing many hours in Virtuemart and some feature cannot be done with virtuemart, only with mySQL directly.
P.S: i know excel like and CSVI, it's why i have done this tool. Because all 2 are good product but to complex to use for most users.
Hello
My initial question still remains.
Parent -> children display in backend is a bit messy and not intuitive.
I noticed this 1st time when I started using parent / children options, and when I shown this to my possible client they noticed same thing.
It's not easy to navigate products in backend when having several pages of parents and childrens.
So I wonder is there maybe a hack or commercial plugin (Not 3rd party editing component)
which would enable desired display in product list in VM backend?
Thanks
Regards
If you need a feature, you can pay virtuemart developper to add it.
I don't think that someone 3rd party dev want do this, because it need some hours and have to follow internal Virtuemart changes.
just bought your product on the info mentioned in this post :)
Looks like ill save some time once i get my head around it.
One thing, when you do instant updates/batch updates etc... do you also change the updated flag of the products in the database ?
POSforWebshops uses this to update products that get changed, i dont want to mess up the POS... ;)
again, ill test on my sandbox see if anything breaks... :)
If you provide me how POSforWebshops add the flag, i can perhaps check to add the feature.
Nooo.. i mean in the table _virtuemart_products. There's a field called modified on, date time of last modifications.
Posforwebshops checks this field to know what products to synchronize. Same with _vm_product_category table ( unless it's named the other way round, no PC to check with..)
I only update needed fields to speedup the process.
So yes if you need to update each time the modified_on field, i need to add it as an option, because 99% of user don't need to update it, if they only update the product name for eg and i try to do the tools the fastest possible(only security check and filtering is tested) so you have a quick reply on update.
And i think you only need to know this in some case? because Posforwebshops only use some value from VM perhaps ?
from what i understand of tinkering / checking in the database...
Example : i used Bulk Associate (vm native function) to move many parts to a new category.
POSforWebshops didnt pick this up.
Only when i opened each part and saved it again in vm backend did they show.
I found that it was the modified_on timestamp that wasn't updated.
I may be wrong in my findings, but it seemed to match, cause & effect-wise..
Thanks for hijacking my thread :-\
Quote from: Krx on January 14, 2017, 19:34:49 PM
Thanks for hijacking my thread :-\
Sorry Krx. ;)
It's not possible in Virtuemart and i explained you what to do here http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=136343.msg476617#msg476617.
Currently VM us 2 column for the child parent relation, if you need the trre in the list, Only core developper can add this or you can send a patch if you have a developper doing this for you.
Regards,
Patrick
Quote from: Studio 42 on December 24, 2016, 00:08:47 AM
P.S: i know excel like and CSVI, it's why i have done this tool. Because all 2 are good product but to complex to use for most users.
Hello
Because you don't offer demo I decided to do leap of faith and I purchased VM BE PRO.
After initial testing I decided to stay with other component.
Both components offer much faster editing experience than standard VM interface,
But I already got accommodated with previous component and I even did some modifications in it for our shop.
Regards
hi Krx,
Sorry for your conclusion, but perhaps it's because you worked many times with Excell like
Regards,
Patrick
Hi Patrick
Yeah you was right. Both products offer similar features but each in own way.
And I already familiarized with other one.
Also regarded to GUI not being user friendly, let me rephrase:
I've built a TON of Joomla websites for various clients. What I've learned is that majority of them have old computers or laptops with really small screens.
When working on 27'' like myself its easy to assume that all users have big screens but reality is different - their screens are tiny.
That's why I nitpick about UI. Other component simply offers more condensed UI,
which I find more usable when trying to deal with many products.
Current trend in GUI industry is - Occupy as much space as possible. Make everything big.
Although it looks nice, it's very often contra-productive especially in online shopping branch
where users HATE their jobs with passion.
They HATE editing their shops, they HATE that they need to be forced in a front of computers instead of for example - looking at nice girls/boys or simply being away from work.
That's why UI for shops needs to be as polished/usable/condensed/functional as possible.
I built many shops for users by using Zencart, Opencart, Mijoshop (Opencart for Joomla), i used Virtuemart long time ago ditched it when they had problems in Joomla 1-2-3 transition
and returned again to VM. And all clients said same thing: I don't like to edit my shop, but it's necessary evil :)
Regards
Thank you for returning to VM. :-)
The GUI is a big field and there is enough todo with the core and all that. We enhance also the BE GUI, added more and more sorteable columns, filters and so on. The currenct vm3.0.18.9_ has even colors for the different order status in the order listing. I also invested some days to make the tables small as possible so that they fit at least most time to 1024px screens.
Max, use bootstrap class for this; currently, it seems that none check for the compatibility excluding bootstrap 2 and 3 for the admin side.
Simply try to change the admin template to hathor, no chance to nhave a right render seens Joomla 3.4.
Krx,
Sorry - I largely contributed to the hijacking.... :/
Patrick,
For my question about POSForWebshops's impact (or lack of) when bulk modifying products' categories - do you have a forum or thread somewhere where I can elaborate? or is this forum the right place for that ?
(je ne suis pas certain que POS va répondre à mes questions la-dessus - mais à chq essai, une fois que j'ouvre et je sauvegarde le produit impacté, la modif est prise en compte dans le POS : même si le produit n'est pas modifié, juste ouvert et sauvegardé...)
Quote from: aftertaf on February 08, 2017, 12:51:19 PM
Krx,
Sorry - I largely contributed to the hijacking.... :/
Patrick,
For my question about POSForWebshops's impact (or lack of) when bulk modifying products' categories - do you have a forum or thread somewhere where I can elaborate? or is this forum the right place for that ?
(je ne suis pas certain que POS va répondre à mes questions la-dessus - mais à chq essai, une fois que j'ouvre et je sauvegarde le produit impacté, la modif est prise en compte dans le POS : même si le produit n'est pas modifié, juste ouvert et sauvegardé...)
If you speak french, perhaps is better you use http://virtuemart.fr/forum, if you need to fix something about POSForWebshops then they can perhaps help you directly ?
Note that for the feature request, it's better you use "ask a question" in my product page, or reply using your order email.